NASA Arizona, Sept 12-13, Phoenix International Raceway [Archive]

topramn

08-11-2009, 08:47 AM

September event registration is now open --> https://www.nasaproracing.com/admin/event/909

We will be back to PIR to finish off our season and the early pre-registration discounts will be back in effect. Currently registration rates are at an all time low. At the end of this month, fees go up to the "normal" rates and the week before the event, rates go up! :-o

The schedule currently will allow for separate groups in all four HPDE groups (as long as the numbers can justify it).

We will also have Trial by Fire Drifting on Sunday at PIR which always makes for some great spectating. There are two registration options for drift. A single day option for Sunday drifting only $100, or a 2 day option which includes HPDE2-4 on Saturday and Drift on Sunday for only $175. What a steal!

It will be a regular 2 day Time Trial weekend with contingency and points on the line. With many local hot shoes at Nationals, this could be your chance to gain an edge at 100 points both days!

A relaxed schedule means there's also room for not one "UMS Tuning Time Attack" but TWO! There will be a Time Attack on Saturday as well as Sunday. This could really shake up the season points, so if you're in the lead OR if you're within striking distance of the overall champion, you don't want to miss either day!

Race group is a test and tune only. Registration prices (only $269!) as well as track time (four 20 min sessions) reflect that. Don't miss your chance to get an edge on your competition and get back in the groove before them to finish off the season strong.

You know you're dying to return to PIR again, so what are you waiting for?

https://www.nasaproracing.com/admin/event/909

Gates open Friday September 11, 2009 at 4pm.

Garages are first come first served.

Register early to secure your spot on track.

https://www.nasaproracing.com/event/909

Update from Bryan @ Toyo's Only.

Ok guys, I will have a guy there at the track. However if your tires are not pre ordered there wont be any there!!! With me out of town I will have any and all extra tires with me. So if you think you are in need get your orders in and pre paid for no later than the 4th of Sept!!!!

DRAFT Schedule(please give feedback or else this will be the schedule - pending no other unforeseen issues)

NOTE: Schedule is NOT final and could change based on the number of registrations in each group.
SATURDAY

0 6:00 AM n/a Gates Open for all
0 6:30 AM n/a Registration & Tech Open
0 7:30 AM 7:40 AM 0:10 Mandatory Drivers Meeting at the NASA AZ trailer
1 7:50 AM 8:10 AM 0:20 HPDE 4
2 8:10 AM 8:25 AM 0:15 TT / Race "Test & Tune" (Group 1)
3 8:25 AM 8:40 AM 0:15 TT / Race "Test & Tune" (Group 2)
4 8:40 AM 9:00 AM 0:20 HPDE3
5 9:00 AM 9:20 AM 0:20 HPDE2
6 9:20 AM 9:45 AM 0:25 HPDE1
7 9:45 AM 10:05 AM 0:20 HPDE 4
8 10:05 AM 10:20 AM 0:15 TT / Race "Test & Tune" (Group 1)
9 10:20 AM 10:35 AM 0:15 TT / Race "Test & Tune" (Group 2)
10 10:35 AM 10:55 AM 0:20 HPDE3
11 10:55 AM 11:15 AM 0:20 HPDE2
12 11:15 AM 11:35 AM 0:20 HPDE1
13 11:35 AM 12:05 PM 0:30 Lunch / Time Correction
14 12:05 PM 12:20 PM 0:15 Time Attack
15 12:20 PM 12:40 PM 0:20 HPDE 4
16 12:40 PM 12:55 PM 0:15 TT / Race "Test & Tune" (Group 1)
17 12:55 PM 1:10 PM 0:15 TT / Race "Test & Tune" (Group 2)
18 1:10 PM 1:30 PM 0:20 HPDE3
19 1:30 PM 1:50 PM 0:20 HPDE2
20 1:50 PM 2:10 PM 0:20 HPDE1
21 2:10 PM 2:30 PM 0:20 HPDE 4
22 2:30 PM 2:45 PM 0:15 TT / Race "Test & Tune" (Group 1)
23 2:45 PM 3:00 PM 0:15 TT / Race "Test & Tune" (Group 2)
24 3:00 PM 3:20 PM 0:20 HPDE3
25 3:20 PM 3:40 PM 0:20 HPDE2
26 3:40 PM 4:00 PM 0:20 HPDE1
27 4:00 PM 4:15 PM 0:15 TT / Race (Bonus Session)

SUNDAY
NOTE: Schedule is NOT final and could change based on the number of registrations in each group.

0 6:00 AM n/a Gates Open for all
0 6:30 AM n/a Registration & Tech Open
0 7:30 AM 7:40 AM 0:10 Mandatory Drivers Meeting at the NASA AZ trailer
1 7:50 AM 8:10 AM 0:20 HPDE 3 / HPDE 4
2 8:10 AM 8:25 AM 0:15 TT / Race "Test & Tune" (Group 1)
3 8:25 AM 8:40 AM 0:15 Trial by Fire Drift (Intermediate / Advanced)
4 8:40 AM 8:55 AM 0:15 TT / Race "Test & Tune" (Group 2)
5 8:55 AM 9:10 AM 0:15 Trial by Fire Drift (Beginner / Novice)
6 9:10 AM 9:35 AM 0:25 HPDE 1 / 2
7 9:35 AM 9:55 AM 0:20 HPDE 3 / HPDE 4
8 9:55 AM 10:10 AM 0:15 TT / Race "Test & Tune" (Group 1)
9 10:10 AM 10:25 AM 0:15 Trial by Fire Drift (Intermediate / Advanced)
10 10:25 AM 10:40 AM 0:15 TT / Race "Test & Tune" (Group 2)
11 10:40 AM 10:55 AM 0:15 Trial by Fire Drift (Beginner / Novice)
12 10:55 AM 11:15 AM 0:20 HPDE 1 / 2
13 11:15 AM 11:45 AM 0:30 Lunch / Time Correction
14 11:45 AM 12:00 PM 0:15 Time Attack
15 12:00 PM 12:20 PM 0:20 HPDE 3 / HPDE 4
16 12:20 PM 12:35 PM 0:15 TT / Race "Test & Tune" (Group 1)
17 12:35 PM 12:50 PM 0:15 Trial by Fire Drift (Intermediate / Advanced)
18 12:50 PM 1:05 PM 0:15 TT / Race "Test & Tune" (Group 2)
19 1:05 PM 1:20 PM 0:15 Trial by Fire Drift (Beginner / Novice)
20 1:20 PM 1:40 PM 0:20 HPDE 1 / 2
21 1:40 PM 2:00 PM 0:20 HPDE 3 / HPDE 4
22 2:00 PM 2:15 PM 0:15 TT / Race "Test & Tune" (Group 1)
23 2:15 PM 2:30 PM 0:15 Trial by Fire Drift (Intermediate / Advanced)
24 2:30 PM 2:45 PM 0:15 TT / Race "Test & Tune" (Group 2)
25 2:45 PM 3:00 PM 0:15 Trial by Fire Drift (Beginner / Novice)
26 3:00 PM 3:20 PM 0:20 HPDE 1 / 2

riceboy88

08-11-2009, 09:30 PM

hmmmmmmm 13th i may make a apperiance on track

UMS Tuning Sales

08-12-2009, 10:53 AM

Time Attack on Both DAYS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Phantomeg

08-12-2009, 11:51 AM

Time Attack on Both DAYS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nice...A double points weekend...:thumbup:

fmx_dbc

08-12-2009, 01:19 PM

Lol do you really need them Phil? :P

ILIKETODRIVE

08-12-2009, 01:55 PM

Yup. Brady will be at Nationals so he could take the lead and then some.

BlueTeg

08-12-2009, 02:25 PM

Time Attack on Both DAYS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/112/289959670_1d4aa3edde.jpg

fmx_dbc

08-12-2009, 05:29 PM

Yup. Brady will be at Nationals so he could take the lead and then some.

sorry I was only thinking about the hondas lol. damn bmw...

ILIKETODRIVE

08-13-2009, 07:39 PM

1st prize for overall TA winner is a transponder, right?

Phil, you already have a transponder right?

I need a transponder. :hi:

LOL @ Gabe

Phantomeg

08-13-2009, 08:47 PM

1st prize for overall TA winner is a transponder, right?

Phil, you already have a transponder right?

I need a transponder. :hi:

LOL @ Gabe

Nolan hit me up last weekend about the transponder...We'll have to see if I even end up with it...Still a lot of track days left till November:crazy:

mc_rhett_meister

08-13-2009, 11:20 PM

Ill be renting a Chevy HHR for this event.

ILIKETODRIVE

08-13-2009, 11:33 PM

Me and him should do rock-paper-scissors for it. :clapper:

topramn

08-14-2009, 07:03 AM

Maybe phil can put it up to the faster of Nolan and Simon.

Tage

08-14-2009, 07:25 AM

UMS the sponsor could always make the season champion prize a Blind Apex display (i.e. in car lap timer) if the winner already has a transponder. They are a little cheaper than the actual transponder too. There's nothing better than being able to see your actual official AMB lap times real time!

Phantomeg

08-14-2009, 08:19 AM

BlueTeg

08-14-2009, 11:01 AM

I like that idea!!!

Felipe: don't you already have an in car lap timer?

Geez, whatta ya get a guy that already has everything?

Answer: a K-swap!! :grin::clapper::devil::thumbsup:

ILIKETODRIVE

08-14-2009, 01:13 PM

I like that idea!!!

I do too! Then, you can sell me your Hotlap setup! :crazy:

Phantomeg

08-14-2009, 05:56 PM

^^You guy's are killin' me...:crazy:

I caught the K-swap comment Gabe...:funnypost:

ILIKETODRIVE

08-15-2009, 02:03 PM

Hehe :thumbup:

KevinBoosted

08-18-2009, 01:59 AM

cant wait. hopefully no more overheating like i did back in may :( :( :(
picked up some flex a lite fans and pulling the a/c, got some hps pads, super blue ate fluid, now just need ss brake lines and im gold :) :) :)

Vtecracer

08-20-2009, 01:34 PM

Phil wants to give me the transponder so i can come run in TT with you guys!!

fmx_dbc

08-20-2009, 01:55 PM

Right on Eric! I heard you were back in town.

RMS-DIST

08-20-2009, 02:21 PM

RMS will be attending its our first event and rather excited. We will have 1 car for sure maybe 2 if not one on display. will be out with both on the future following events.

fmx_dbc

08-20-2009, 02:49 PM

Sweet! What car or cars?

RMS-DIST

08-20-2009, 03:10 PM

Sweet! What car or cars?

09 civic SI been working on it for a while cage is going in next week then the seats after that all motor and suspension and exterior is already done. other car is integra super charged on the bottle just a track car should be fun we are deff new to this sport but been talking about it for some time now and just want to get out their and help support this fun sport. Thanks to tony at UMS for getting me addicted on the bad ass ride along. :)

RMS-DIST

08-20-2009, 03:15 PM

also cant forget Jeremy with his great looks and all his great advice and pointing us in the correct directions. I DONT CARE WHAT THEY SAY ABOUT YOU MAN :)

JoshDC2

08-20-2009, 03:43 PM

also cant forget Jeremy with his great looks

thats all that matters

*inFamous*

08-20-2009, 03:59 PM

ugh dont think i can make it :) damn budgets lol. Oh well, gives me more time to get the seven prepped :)

ILIKETODRIVE

08-20-2009, 04:08 PM

Signed up for both days! See you guys out there!

BlueTeg

08-20-2009, 04:48 PM

09 civic SI been working on it for a while cage is going in next week then the seats after that all motor and suspension and exterior is already done. other car is integra super charged on the bottle just a track car should be fun we are deff new to this sport but been talking about it for some time now and just want to get out their and help support this fun sport. Thanks to tony at UMS for getting me addicted on the bad ass ride along. :)

You guys going to be tracking the cars or just displaying them?

Looking forward to seeing you guys out there. :bananaman:

Importfan2

08-20-2009, 06:43 PM

09 civic SI been working on it for a while cage is going in next week then the seats after that all motor and suspension and exterior is already done. other car is integra super charged on the bottle just a track car should be fun we are deff new to this sport but been talking about it for some time now and just want to get out their and help support this fun sport. Thanks to tony at UMS for getting me addicted on the bad ass ride along. :)

its those ride alongs that get u every time and hook u.. thats y they have them...lol

fmx_dbc

08-20-2009, 07:00 PM

lol so true! Im tryin to get this wire harness fixed in time...

RMS-DIST

08-21-2009, 07:07 AM

You guys going to be tracking the cars or just displaying them?

Looking forward to seeing you guys out there. :bananaman:

tracking one for sure hopefully both for the future events both cars will track for sure.

its those ride alongs that get u every time and hook u.. thats y they have them...lol

i no that shits a set up lol....

BlueTeg

08-21-2009, 08:09 AM

tracking one for sure

Rad. :thumbup:
What group?

RMS-DIST

08-21-2009, 09:11 AM

Rad. :thumbup:
What group?

first time man were gonna start from what Jeremy said in the hpde1 and go from their like we stated its totally new to us and we are extremely excited to add a little help to the nasa events

Thanks,
Nick

fmx_dbc

08-21-2009, 10:06 AM

That's awesome! I did it the same way man. Started about 2 years ago with HPDE1 and I'm now going into race group. Stick with it and thanks for supporting!

RMS-DIST

08-21-2009, 10:31 AM

That's awesome! I did it the same way man. Started about 2 years ago with HPDE1 and I'm now going into race group. Stick with it and thanks for supporting!

For sure man we are way excited for sure im sure we will be asking a shit ton of questions :)

Thanks,
Nick

Tage

08-21-2009, 09:19 PM

RMS-DIST

08-21-2009, 09:53 PM

Hi Nick! I don't think we've met but I'm glad to hear you'll be at the events going forward. It's the most fun you can have in your car without doing something legal and still have all your clothes on. I'll be at the NASA Nationals for the Sept event but my wife and several other very trusted folks will be running the show and will make sure your experience is top notch.

P.S. I think you know Josh from TTM? He's one of my major sponsors/supporters.

we have been building these cars for a few months and are very excited to finally take time away from work and hit the track and have some fun. if it wasnt to our sponsors that are helping us out us to would not be able to do this. well we will see you at the following events and hope you all the luck.

thanks,
nick

dantana

08-24-2009, 07:27 AM

have fun you guys, keep it clean.
wish i could make it but gotta work up in the white mountains that weekend on elk management
good luck to all!
dan

Agent Smith

08-24-2009, 11:14 AM

I'll try & show up sunday & hang out, won't be running though :/

topramn

08-24-2009, 05:21 PM

have fun you guys, keep it clean.
wish i could make it but gotta work up in the white mountains that weekend on elk management
good luck to all!
dan

damn. gonna miss the supertrooper look.

Tage

08-24-2009, 06:59 PM

/\ Yeah for a minute, I thought it was Dirk Diggler walking around in the paddock at the last event. Straight pimpin!

ILIKETODRIVE

08-24-2009, 07:18 PM

http://thecia.com.au/reviews/s/images/supertroopers-11.jpg

comptonasskerry

08-24-2009, 08:42 PM

http://thecia.com.au/reviews/s/images/supertroopers-11.jpg

lol

Kinetic

08-25-2009, 10:28 AM

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v355/kineticgsr/NASA%20pics/IMG_0961.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v355/kineticgsr/NASA%20pics/IMG_0963.jpg

fmx_dbc

08-25-2009, 01:37 PM

That's awesome...it's been a while since I've seen that guy...is that Rod Farva in the second pic?

cbaracing

08-25-2009, 02:15 PM

http://thecia.com.au/reviews/s/images/supertroopers-11.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v355/kineticgsr/NASA%20pics/IMG_0961.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v355/kineticgsr/NASA%20pics/IMG_0963.jpg

That's awesome...it's been a while since I've seen that guy...is that Rod Farva in the second pic?

id like a litre of cola :thumbup:

Importfan2

08-25-2009, 03:26 PM

hahahahahahah...

BlueTeg

08-25-2009, 05:27 PM

Registered for both days this AM + Time Attack.
Let's get ready to rumble

mc_rhett_meister

08-28-2009, 12:54 AM

Depending on how this weekend goes, I will register. crossing my fingers

fmx_dbc

08-28-2009, 07:14 AM

topramn

08-28-2009, 08:00 AM

topramn

08-28-2009, 08:17 AM

original post updated.

ILIKETODRIVE

08-28-2009, 08:26 AM

Ughhh I need someone with LOTS of Honda wiring experience. I've got a major issue on my hands and I feel I've done everything within my capabilities to attempt to resolve it with no luck. ...otherwise I'm out...

What's the issue? I'm terrible at physically wiring a car but I understand how things are supposed to work and whatnot. PM it to me if you want.

fmx_dbc

08-28-2009, 09:13 AM

Tony Lisa is pretty good. Try him.
I'm lucky to have him as a good friend and so close by. He's been at my house working on it with me every night after work for the past week. We've made major discoveries and improvements, but this is kinda stumping us.

What's the issue? I'm terrible at physically wiring a car but I understand how things are supposed to work and whatnot. PM it to me if you want.

it's an intermittent power issue. I actually got it to turn on and run twice, but as soon as it got to roughly operating temperature, complete loss of power and engine shuts off. From there it has no power, and seems like it won't regain power unless it cools off...
:hithead::devil:

cbaracing

08-28-2009, 11:08 AM

I'm lucky to have him as a good friend and so close by. He's been at my house working on it with me every night after work for the past week. We've made major discoveries and improvements, but this is kinda stumping us.

it's an intermittent power issue. I actually got it to turn and and run twice, but as soon as it got to roughly operating temperature, complete loss of power and engine shuts off. From there it has no power, and seems like it won't regain power unless it cools off...
:hithead::devil:

main relay gets hot
solder comes off the board inside the main relay = no more connection
car shuts off
main relay cools down solder resets on the board
the car is how old? which means the main relay is how old
happens all the time with main relays

UMS Tuning Sales

08-28-2009, 11:19 AM

Im staring at Craigs Hondata S300...

it wants a new home.....and and awesome tune for the Event!

fmx_dbc

08-28-2009, 11:40 AM

main relay gets hot
solder comes off the board inside the main relay = no more connection
car shuts off
main relay cools down solder resets on the board
the car is how old? which means the main relay is how old
happens all the time with main relays

It has this issue even with the main relay unplugged, leaving me to believe it has nothng to do with the actual relay. The relay wiring perhaps, but not the relay itself. Tried other relays as well. I've had experience with the main relay issue on my CRX.

fmx_dbc

08-28-2009, 11:44 AM

Im staring at Craigs Hondata S300...

it wants a new home.....and and awesome tune for the Event!
thanks and I hope to get this resolved and get that bad ass tune soon!

topramn

08-28-2009, 02:35 PM

try a new main relay as opposed to old/used.

fmx_dbc

08-28-2009, 03:30 PM

no power to the relay...

fmx_dbc

08-28-2009, 05:35 PM

It runs! damn thats a relief! Swapped out my Longacre battery kill switch and BAMMM! She fired right up! ...now I just have to clean it up and make it look presentable enough for the great guys at UMS to have their way with her. Thanks for the input guys. Its nice to have a great community to share thoughts, frustrations, and unforgettable track days with.
:you rock:
Speaking of those track days, I just signed up for 2 more in race group!

mc_rhett_meister

08-28-2009, 09:30 PM

WHHHHAT? Im having a similar issue as well, but it just tries to turn over and sluggishly dies out like the battery is dying. Even with a jumpbox attached to the terminals and it started after a batt cut off switch was installed....

fmx_dbc

08-28-2009, 10:29 PM

Make sure it was done the right way...

mc_rhett_meister

08-28-2009, 11:31 PM

haha Chasebays... pretty legit i think.

fmx_dbc

08-29-2009, 12:29 AM

sounds like somethings not right...hit me up if you want to take a look at my setup. PM me if you need my number

ILIKETODRIVE

08-29-2009, 01:13 PM

haha Chasebays... pretty legit i think.

As much as I love Chase, I would double-check his work.....

fmx_dbc

08-29-2009, 02:00 PM

As much as I love Chase, I would double-check his work.....

yeah everyone has off days and nobody is perfect. doing everything yourself sucks, but its rewarding and easier to diagnose if something happens.

ILIKETODRIVE

08-30-2009, 12:21 PM

I'm having a heat-related electrical issue and it's NOT the main relay.

When the car is hot, whether while driving or parked after driving for awhile, the car will fail to run/start. I've swapped to a new relay and it still happens. I've swapped a known good relay while it's happening and it still won't start/run. I'm thinking it's my ignition switch. I have a known good one with about 80,000 less miles and 6 less years on it than my current (original) one.

dantana

08-31-2009, 06:04 PM

man those pics crack me up, good job with the spy photos jeremy!

mc_rhett_meister

09-01-2009, 10:03 PM

ok it was a bad alarm ground I found! thank the lawd weeman didnt have to dig into anything too intensive.

riceboy88

09-02-2009, 10:48 AM

ok it was a bad alarm ground I found! thank the lawd weeman didnt have to dig into anything too intensive.

thank god

Importfan2

09-02-2009, 11:05 AM

wow rhett had a problem that didnt consist of ripping apart the whole car... man things are shinning upon mr Meister..

fmx_dbc

09-02-2009, 11:13 AM

Lol good to hear Rhett. Simon, I'd suggest trying that ignition switch...
Getting dynoed tomorrow guys...pray for me haha

fmx_dbc

09-03-2009, 06:25 PM

I want to say a HUGE Thank You to Jeremy and Tony at UMS! I wasn't able to be there unfortunately (I'm kinda glad because it sounded like a nightmare haha) but you guys definitely went above and beyond the call of duty! Today was a good day!

BlueTeg

09-03-2009, 10:27 PM

So is your car fixed or still essploded?

Kinetic

09-04-2009, 03:31 PM

So is your car fixed or still essploded?

is tuned

mc_rhett_meister

09-04-2009, 05:40 PM

ok it was a bad alarm ground I found! thank the lawd weeman didnt have to dig into anything too intensive.

I was wrong, its so intermittent, its too difficult to track down in time and I cant afford it lol I might be out there though.

ILIKETODRIVE

09-07-2009, 05:48 PM

Yeah, swapped that ignition switch. The old one looked like someone took a welder to the contact points, lol. So far so good.

SlowCivicHmm

09-07-2009, 09:02 PM

i'm sitting my nieces this weekend, we might take a trip out there....would be good to see a few friends......

Phantomeg

09-08-2009, 10:58 AM

i'm sitting my nieces this weekend, we might take a trip out there....would be good to see a few friends......

Do you need directions to the track...:grin:

JDM Jon

09-08-2009, 04:51 PM

hope to make it out there sunday! weekend ends on sunday at 4pm correct?

topramn

09-08-2009, 04:55 PM

around 4 yes.

fmx_dbc

09-08-2009, 05:00 PM

So is your car fixed or still essploded?
I be there Gabe
is tuned
Thank you Jeremy!

topramn

09-08-2009, 05:08 PM

I be there Gabe

Thank you Jeremy!

i take it Tage got you all taken care of on that issue we discussed?

fmx_dbc

09-08-2009, 05:12 PM

i take it Tage got you all taken care of on that issue we discussed?

still in the works but we will have it figured out one way or another. Thank you!

riceboy88

09-08-2009, 11:11 PM

ward is tony going to be there on sunday??

supermang

09-09-2009, 03:35 PM

shall be at PIR sunday for pics!

topramn

09-10-2009, 09:56 AM

schedule updated

INTEGRA DC2

09-10-2009, 01:01 PM

cant wait!! need to get away and have some fun for a change, to bad i am not running

tipsy21

09-11-2009, 01:20 AM

This is something I have been looking to get into for some time now. About how much does it cost to get started and a day or two on the track?

fmx_dbc

09-11-2009, 08:16 AM

Starting out for your first day on track, I'd says it's roughly $160-$200. TopRamn can give you a more accurate quote since he helps run these events. Making your car "track worthy" can add up quickly too though. Just need to make sure your car won't be leaking fluids and is mechanically sound. I will suggest changing your brake fluid to high temp "racing" fluid. Like Gabe says below this not a necessity but let's face it, you're paying a decent amount of money to get your track experience and with stock brake fluid there is a chance that your sessions could be cut short because your brake fluid is boiling and you've lost braking power. It's just a small step to ensure you get the most out of your experience.

BlueTeg

09-11-2009, 08:40 AM

This is something I have been looking to get into for some time now. About how much does it cost to get started and a day or two on the track?

$40 for a NASA membership (good for one year) and about $159-$179 for one day on track (usually 3 x 20 minute sessions). Your first day will include 2 classroom sessions going over the basics of high performance driving and one on one, in car instruction for all of your sessions that you're on track.
If you register for a 2nd day (as a part of a weekend-long event), its only an additional $100 for the second day.

The high temp brake fluid is nice, but not a necessity. All you need is a car that runs, with no leaks and decent amount of tread left on the tires and brakes pads. I see alot of guys on here that are hesitent to come out cause they're waiting to put that one last mod on their car. The reality is that a totally stock Honda is more than capable for your first day on track. You'll be way faster after a day of instruction on track that you would have been with those new springs you are waiting on, or that new engine mod that is going to add another 10-20 hp.

....not too mention that its waaay easier to instruct somone, and way easier for the student to learn in a car that is stock or only mildly modified. You can concentrate on your technique and the car will be much more forgiving when you make a mistake.

Importfan2

09-11-2009, 10:26 AM

^^fuck im in for a major problem. then..

fmx_dbc

09-11-2009, 11:05 AM

^^fuck im in for a major problem. then..

because of the "R"? I don't understand... Is it a beast or what? :P
it's just better to get a firm grasp of the fundamentals and the handling characteristics of a vehicle in various situations before unleashing the fury. IMO that's the idea

topramn

09-11-2009, 11:52 AM

This is something I have been looking to get into for some time now. About how much does it cost to get started and a day or two on the track?

40 dollar yearly membership, good for one year from date purchased, also gets you grassroots magazine subscription

de1 is typically 169 for a single day or 269 for 2 days. this is where you start. (3 30 minute sessions or 4 20 minute sessions)

after that, usually about 159 for single days and 269 for 2 days. (4 20 minute sessions)

Starting out for your first day on track, I'd says it's roughly $160-$200. TopRamn can give you a more accurate quote since he helps run these events. Making your car "track worthy" can add up quickly too though. Just need to make sure your car won't be leaking fluids and is mechanically sound. I will suggest changing your brake fluid to high temp "racing" fluid. Like Gabe says below this not a necessity but let's face it, you're paying a decent amount of money to get your track experience and with stock brake fluid there is a chance that your sessions could be cut short because your brake fluid is boiling and you've lost braking power. It's just a small step to ensure you get the most out of your experience.

for this, i am gonna say to not follow craigs footsteps for a track worthy car. bring any car. make sure your car doesnt have leaks, has working seatbelts for driver and passenger, and has some decent tires and you are ready to go, brake fluid is good but specialty stuff isnt required. the idea is to make sure its something you want to do before dumping ass loads of money into prepping for something you have never done. im sure you will be hooked but its better to make sure.

tipsy21

09-11-2009, 07:20 PM

Thanks a lot for the info guys, I won't be able to make it to this even but I sure hope to make it to the next one. I can't wait!

riceboy88

09-13-2009, 07:20 PM

good time today. pictures will be up sometime this week

xlerate23

09-13-2009, 08:52 PM

i was there Saturday and all Hondas were killing it out there! nice job guys

fmx_dbc

09-13-2009, 09:53 PM

:clap:

Phantomeg

09-14-2009, 11:23 AM

i was there Saturday and all Hondas were killing it out there! nice job guys

Did you stop by the Honda camp to say hi...I don't recognize the sig...

xlerate23

09-14-2009, 11:39 AM

yeah i checked them out for a good 20 minutes lol both grey hatches were super clean! all motor GSR right?

BlueTeg

09-14-2009, 12:06 PM

Great weekend, despite it being hotter than fawk outside. Had a great time duking it out with you guys in TT (Simon, Craig, Phil, Nolan, and co.)

Rhett / Bobby / Ahmed: good to see you guys. Get those cars out on track next month. October is always a good time!!

Ward / Josh / Eric: good to see you guys too. :thumbup:

Xlerate23: are you the guy from Utah that talked with for a bit?

To my DE1 student in the yellow R with jdm front: introduce yourself or drop me a PM.

RMS will be attending its our first event and rather excited. We will have 1 car for sure maybe 2 if not one on display. will be out with both on the future following events.

I didn't see any FD2 or DC2 out there this weekend. Did you guys not make it out?

Importfan2

09-14-2009, 12:40 PM

yea gabe it was great to kick it for a few hours..

RMS-DIST

09-14-2009, 01:10 PM

Great weekend, despite it being hotter than fawk outside. Had a great time duking it out with you guys in TT (Simon, Craig, Phil, Nolan, and co.)

Rhett / Bobby / Ahmed: good to see you guys. Get those cars out on track next month. October is always a good time!!

Ward / Josh / Eric: good to see you guys too. :thumbup:

Xlerate23: are you the guy from Utah that talked with for a bit?

To my DE1 student in the yellow R with jdm front: introduce yourself or drop me a PM.

I didn't see any FD2 or DC2 out there this weekend. Did you guys not make it out?

yea sorry guys trying to get everything done and some parts not getting in... for sure we will be ready for the next event.

Thanks,
Nick

fmx_dbc

09-14-2009, 01:35 PM

Great weekend, despite it being hotter than fawk outside. Had a great time duking it out with you guys in TT (Simon, Craig, Phil, Nolan, and co.)

yeah I wish I coulda made it out on Sunday...my car was being a bitch as usual. It got soooo damn hot and I think those R888's suffered the consequences. I didn't care for them a great deal... I felt that my driving improved (it had to in order to run the times I did) however my times did not improve. It was nice seeing and talking with everyone regardless though.
My car + TTB = :thumbsdown:

xlerate23

09-14-2009, 02:18 PM

Great weekend, despite it being hotter than fawk outside. Had a great time duking it out with you guys in TT (Simon, Craig, Phil, Nolan, and co.)

Rhett / Bobby / Ahmed: good to see you guys. Get those cars out on track next month. October is always a good time!!

Ward / Josh / Eric: good to see you guys too. :thumbup:

Xlerate23: are you the guy from Utah that talked with for a bit?

To my DE1 student in the yellow R with jdm front: introduce yourself or drop me a PM.

I didn't see any FD2 or DC2 out there this weekend. Did you guys not make it out?

naw thats not me. i didnt talk to u guys, i just looked at the cars. but i'll be sure to stop by and talk with you guys next event. can you guys do ride alongs?

BlueTeg

09-14-2009, 02:47 PM

naw thats not me. i didnt talk to u guys, i just looked at the cars. but i'll be sure to stop by and talk with you guys next event. can you guys do ride alongs?

Yes, in DE3 or DE4...with group leader approval.

xlerate23

09-14-2009, 02:55 PM

coooool the next event is in October right?

javio24

09-14-2009, 02:58 PM

i was able to make it and get a ride along on sunday with a good frined of mine in his white g20 (jon)... had a blast and will be more than likely entering the oct weekend... im a noob so ill have to do some class time and what not but we all gotta start somewhere right?

javio24

09-14-2009, 02:58 PM

coooool the next event is in October right?

yup, Oct 2-3.

UMS Tuning Sales

09-14-2009, 03:11 PM

Thanks to the Time Attack competitiors !!!!!

Phil is cleaning up although Gabe made some headway as well!

Importfan2

09-14-2009, 04:29 PM

Yes, in DE3 or DE4...with group leader approval.

its funny that all our friends only have one seat..

Vtecracer

09-14-2009, 04:54 PM

it didn't used to be that way but your right, we all have one seat now... i guess i am going to need to borrow someones spare for my TT check rider to sit in huh? hahah lol!! Robles i know you got one.... or 10

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Phantomeg

09-14-2009, 04:56 PM

yeah i checked them out for a good 20 minutes lol both grey hatches were super clean! all motor GSR right?

Yes, mine is all motor, not sure for how long though:thumbup: Make sure you introduce yourself next time and let us know who you are and what you drive...That goes for all the Honda fans that come to the track...

The Hondas did very well all weekend long...Looking forward to the October event when the temps will be down!!!

Phantomeg

09-14-2009, 04:57 PM

BlueTeg

09-14-2009, 05:00 PM

i guess i am going to need to borrow someones spare for my TT check rider to sit in huh?

O RLY?? When are you making the jump to TT?

:bananaman: yay for another Honda in TT!!

BlueTeg

09-14-2009, 05:04 PM

I felt that my driving improved (it had to in order to run the times I did) however my times did not improve.

That statement is confusing. :)
Don't feel too bad about missing Sunday. The track was about a half second slower vs. Saturday. :pissed:

My car + TTB = :thumbsdown:

You are probably taking points for mods that don't contribute a whole lot to lowering your lap times.
IIRC you have one of those CF duckbills. Those do very little to help aero at PIR, so why take points for it?
The oem front lip that you have is another one. Why take the 3 points for something that doesn't do a whole lot. If you are going to take the 3 points then run an aggressive front lip that is really going to block off the ability for air to flow under the car.
Are you classing the car using the preapproved motor swap base class in the rule book or have you had the car base classed by sending your weight and dynojet sheet to Greg?

fmx_dbc

09-14-2009, 06:46 PM

That statement is confusing. :)
Don't feel too bad about missing Sunday. The track was about a half second slower vs. Saturday. :pissed:

You are probably taking points for mods that don't contribute a whole lot to lowering your lap times.
IIRC you have one of those CF duckbills. Those do very little to help aero at PIR, so why take points for it?
The oem front lip that you have is another one. Why take the 3 points for something that doesn't do a whole lot. If you are going to take the 3 points then run an aggressive front lip that is really going to block off the ability for air to flow under the car.
Are you classing the car using the preapproved motor swap base class in the rule book or have you had the car base classed by sending your weight and dynojet sheet to Greg?

I'm bummed about missing Sunday cause it was paid for lol...the tires were new to me and very slippery (especially when not properly pressured)...and the car isnt set up to run TT. Like you said Im taking points for a lot of stuff. The car has a base class of TTC/PTC by Greg. Luckily Mervin took care of all that hassle so I didn't have to. I really look forward to driving in cooler weather again. I need to get back on some RA-1's and get the feel for those. I guess they are now the spec tire again for Honda Challenge:drunk: Regardless, I have lots of work to do on and off the track

BlueTeg

09-14-2009, 06:57 PM

The car has a base class of TTC/PTC by Greg. Luckily Mervin took care of all that hassle so I didn't have to.

If you're making 164 whp, how in the hell are you base classed in C?
You should have no problem getting a TTD (no stars) base classing with that power output so long as your car is in the 2400-2450 competition weight range.

What else are you taking points for?

fmx_dbc

09-14-2009, 07:48 PM

I stand corrected. after looking at the email from Greg to Mervin and my TT classing forms it has a base class of PTD/TTD, minimum comp weight of 2300#. You're questioning made me look over my paperwork again and it does appear to be TTC, not TTB. Robert is going to be like WTF if I have him change it again lol. I'm not concerned about the points so I may just leave it be. Good lookin out Gabe! :you rock:

PhoenixR

09-15-2009, 11:05 AM

yet i'm base classed as PTC.

164whp. 2315 lbs.

technically, if you go by the points system, both mine and craig's cars are well into the PTB territory. i've been bugging people to try to spec all H2 cars into one PT class, but i haven't made much progress yet. 3 legal H2 cars can (and do) run 3 different PT classes.

jeff, scott -- PTB
tony, jason -- PTC
craig, dan -- PTD

i believe eric woods is in PTD due to the fact that his car is an integra and technically not "swapped". all six cars have proven to be close to the ssme speed. it's a big part of the reason why all of the hondas have dropped out of race group. it's an easy enough problem to resolve and, in retrospect, we're all supposed to be running H2 anyway.

BlueTeg

09-15-2009, 11:34 AM

yet i'm base classed as PTC.
164whp. 2315 lbs.

technically, if you go by the points system, both mine and craig's cars are well into the PTB territory.

Really? Is that after you sent the dynojet into Greenbaum w/ your comp weight for an engine swap reclass.

If I class my car soley by the rule book (using the preapproved base class for a B18c5 engine in my EG chassis - and not by sending my dynojet sheet and comp weight into Greg for a reclass) my car is deep into B also.

BlueTeg

09-15-2009, 11:37 AM

i've been bugging people to try to spec all H2 cars into one PT class, but i haven't made much progress yet. 3 legal H2 cars can (and do) run 3 different PT classes.

jeff, scott -- PTB
tony, jason -- PTC
craig, dan -- PTD

i believe eric woods is in PTD due to the fact that his car is an integra and technically not "swapped". all six cars have proven to be close to the ssme speed. it's a big part of the reason why all of the hondas have dropped out of race group. it's an easy enough problem to resolve and, in retrospect, we're all supposed to be running H2 anyway.

2 different sets of rules for 2 different series. IMHO: its really tough to find the optimal mix of mods to be 'fast' in both series'.

PhoenixR

09-15-2009, 11:44 AM

2 different sets of rules for 2 different series. IMHO: its really tough to find the optimal mix of mods to be 'fast' in both series'.

agreed -- that's why i'm concentrating on H2. the issue comes back to the whole "not enough cars" problem that currently exists. as it is, i'm stuck in a car that's simply not competitive (yet?) in PTC. with more honda challenge cars, this will not be an issue. the 944s aren't competitive in PTD but there are enough of them to run their own class -- i would like to see honda challenge go the same route.

my car was classed by paul bloomberg for race group.

fmx_dbc

09-15-2009, 12:27 PM

Tony has the right idea here. Like I said, I dont have the car set up to try to be competetive in TT. My goal with it is H2. Now what can we do to get these Hondas into the same class?

PhoenixR

09-15-2009, 12:47 PM

if we can fill out the honda challenge field, getting the cars into the same PT class won't matter. we're not competitive in PTB or PTC, yet we're too fast to run in PTD. the PT classing works well for many people -- just not hondas, especially not mine.

xlerate23

09-15-2009, 02:49 PM

Yes, mine is all motor, not sure for how long though:thumbup: Make sure you introduce yourself next time and let us know who you are and what you drive...That goes for all the Honda fans that come to the track...

The Hondas did very well all weekend long...Looking forward to the October event when the temps will be down!!!

awesome i'll be sure to stop by and introduce myself.

UMS Tuning Sales

09-15-2009, 04:06 PM

I too would like to see more honda's in H2 locally....it would be more fun and better for spectating...as in GROWING NASA with the local H crowd.

I would love to watch 6-10 Honda's running togther

PhoenixR

09-16-2009, 11:43 AM

I too would like to see more honda's in H2 locally....it would be more fun and better for spectating...as in GROWING NASA with the local H crowd.

I would love to watch 6-10 Honda's running togther

agreed!! :clap:

Importfan2

09-16-2009, 11:59 AM

one here that will be Ready soon..

who can help a brotha out by welding on my new core support.. ** car is on jackstands as we speak***

i have a house that is wired for 220 and beer.. and that green stuff everyone likes....

cash is what i mean. ..

PhoenixR

09-16-2009, 01:02 PM

ILIKETODRIVE

09-16-2009, 01:30 PM

Importfan2

09-16-2009, 05:05 PM

LOL, don't get your hopes up. His car is FAR from being race group legal, let alone H2 legal, let alone even running at the moment.

PS - my car would class nicely into PTE but wouldn't be H4 legal...poopy.

thanks simon for clearing that up.. if someone could direct me to the where i can find the list.. so i can prepare myself for race group..

forgot to mention earlier... doin Hpde 1.. and hopefully alot of seat time..so i can move up the levels.. got alot of missed time to make up for..

BlueTeg

09-16-2009, 06:18 PM

race group? H2? awesome.

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:0bqVP6bBkq1x6M:http://www.digitalrendezvous.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/simonextreme.png don't get your hopes up. His car is FAR from being race group legal, let alone H2 legal, let alone even running at the moment, let alone him havng a comp license, let alone being able to maintain a race car in an economy where disposable income is down, not too mention the HC fields in AZ area aready hard to recruit for, couple that with the fact all the cool kids are running TT, and ignoring the fact that Phil has Roble$ money, and accounting for the fact that Jeremy's car is faster when Brady drives it, and lastly, but certainly not least that I am being a huge downer!!!

LOL, jeeez. ^

fmx_dbc

09-16-2009, 06:27 PM

That sure was extensive. My eyes need a rest. Any more Debbie Downer's? Lol

BlueTeg

09-16-2009, 06:31 PM

thanks simon for clearing that up.. if someone could direct me to the where i can find the list.. so i can prepare myself for race group..

forgot to mention earlier... doin Hpde 1.. and hopefully alot of seat time..so i can move up the levels.. got alot of missed time to make up for..

What list? You mean the list / rulebook for Honda Challenge?
Right now I would use this as your list for sucess to making it to race group:

1.) finish up whatever you're doing on your car so that it can safely be operated on a public roadway so that you can make it to the track. That means forget waiting on your next paycheck to get that suspension piece you're waiting on, or those wheels you're waiting on, or whatever mods you have planned. Save your money and just bring something, anything, to the track so you can start logging seat time. Cheap, stock parts (that goes for wheels, suspension, seats, engine parts, etc.) actually work pretty well for beginners. Go figure.

2.) Once you get a day or two under your belt. Then start to upgrade anything that you may have skipped over in your initial build just to hit the track like racing brake pads, high temp brake fluid, decent street tires.

3.) When you've got a few track days under your belt (5 or 6) and you're thinking about moving up to DE3 then IMO, thats when you get the HC rulebook out and start planning your build with what your budget will allow. You may realize at that point that you may just want to do HPDE in the car once in awhile to stretch its legs out, you may want to do TT and go all out fast times without the wheel to wheel action of racing, or you may decide that HC is in fact the ticket for you.

Cliffsnotes: don't worry about building your car (and dumping ALOT) of money into somethng that you may not end up liking that much. Start out slow and cheap and build your way up.

UMS Tuning Sales

09-17-2009, 09:15 AM

What list? You mean the list / rulebook for Honda Challenge?
Right now I would use this as your list for sucess to making it to race group:

1.) finish up whatever you're doing on your car so that it can safely be operated on a public roadway so that you can make it to the track. That means forget waiting on your next paycheck to get that suspension piece you're waiting on, or those wheels you're waiting on, or whatever mods you have planned. Save your money and just bring something, anything, to the track so you can start logging seat time. Cheap, stock parts (that goes for wheels, suspension, seats, engine parts, etc.) actually work pretty well for beginners. Go figure.

2.) Once you get a day or two under your belt. Then start to upgrade anything that you may have skipped over in your initial build just to hit the track like racing brake pads, high temp brake fluid, decent street tires.

3.) When you've got a few track days under your belt (5 or 6) and you're thinking about moving up to DE3 then IMO, thats when you get the HC rulebook out and start planning your build with what your budget will allow. You may realize at that point that you may just want to do HPDE in the car once in awhile to stretch its legs out, you may want to do TT and go all out fast times without the wheel to wheel action of racing, or you may decide that HC is in fact the ticket for you.

Cliffsnotes: don't worry about building your car (and dumping ALOT) of money into somethng that you may not end up liking that much. Start out slow and cheap and build your way up.

QFT

seat time is the bed modification of all

fix the loose nut behind the wheel before anything else

Importfan2

09-17-2009, 10:12 AM

What list? You mean the list / rulebook for Honda Challenge?
Right now I would use this as your list for sucess to making it to race group:

.
1) if the car would of come with the stock stuff i would have been there a long time ago.. so instead of buying oem stuff for the same price i upgraded alot things.. Car will have brand new everything for the most part. I have all my mods that i have been wanting . now its a matter of putting them together.

2)Im going with star specs for my tires.( i can get a good deal with my wholesale discount). racing pads, roll bar & stiffer suspension are on my next years list of mods.

3) Once i get it out there and see how it does.. we will see where i wanna go with it.

but thank you for your advice gabe.:thumbup:

BlueTeg

09-17-2009, 10:13 AM

Qft = ???

cbaracing

09-17-2009, 10:22 AM

Qft = ???

quite f*cking true :bananaman:

topramn

09-17-2009, 11:47 AM

1) if the car would of come with the stock stuff i would have been there a long time ago.. so instead of buying oem stuff for the same price i upgraded alot things.. Car will have brand new everything for the most part. I have all my mods that i have been wanting . now its a matter of putting them together.

2)Im going with star specs for my tires.( i can get a good deal with my wholesale discount). racing pads, roll bar & stiffer suspension are on my next years list of mods.

3) Once i get it out there and see how it does.. we will see where i wanna go with it.

but thank you for your advice gabe.:thumbup:

I think many will agree with the following.

1) The problem with having everything you have wanted is that most of the time, none of that is legal for the race group we are discussing, Honda Challenge, and you end up replacing it anyways. Either way, if you bought it already, you got a long ways to go before racing anyways. So enjoy what you have.

2) Star specs is a good start. Skip the cage/bar for now. If you have suspension, enjoy it before replacing it. Throw some new pads and fluid sooner than later. But none of that is required for day 1.

3) Get out there sooner than later. =)

Tage

09-17-2009, 12:16 PM

Kinetic

09-17-2009, 01:12 PM

BTW, I talked to Chris Rado on the phone last night. He is registered for TT and TA in Oct! :)

so we are having a TA in October ?

Tage

09-17-2009, 01:53 PM

TA on Sunday for the Oct event.

BlueTeg

09-17-2009, 04:56 PM

2)Im going with star specs for my tires.( i can get a good deal with my wholesale discount).

Nice tires, but 195 is the only width they make for a 15" wheel. You running 15s?

PhoenixR

09-17-2009, 05:04 PM

I'd like to see H2 grow as well. I don't think it's impossible but the challenge is your average person running that class or willing to build a car for that class doesn't typically have the funds to actually "race" on a consistent basis. This crap is wicked expensive no matter how you slice it.

Brady, wants to do H2 but doesn't want to race by himself and I don't blame him. However, I will most likely be racing H2 in Boles car at the Oct and Nov events! So Tony, come on out and hopefully I we are close enough that we can actually "race". The one time I drove Jason's car though it was pretty far off the pace though and needs a little work to be competitive with you (i.e. final drive). If you and I are competitive, I bet Brady will jump in and from there it could very well snowball...

BTW, I talked to Chris Rado on the phone last night. He is registered for TT and TA in Oct! :)

Tage,

Jason mentioned the fact that you would be driving his car and I'm really looking forward to it! Unfortunately, I will be missing the October event due to a scheduling conflict -- I'm running a desert race in Primm, Nevada the same weekend. I will most certainly be out there in November! I know the ins-and-outs of Jason's car pretty well and I know that thing has some quirks to it -- let me know if you need any help. I think that people might start to get a little more interested in the series if they actually see a couple of Hondas running wheel-to-wheel.

Tony