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SlowLS
08-27-2009, 03:44 PM
Okay, i think im a rather decent photographer when it comes to daylight shots, BUT i suck when it comes to night time shots. can someone give me some pointers on what speed film(yes i said film i use a 35mm Canon SLR Elan7) what mode, shutter, ect ect. here is an example of a daytime versus night time shot i took.

Day time:

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff284/OptimusHonda/5-25-09/0094786-R3-016-6A.jpg
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff284/OptimusHonda/5-25-09/0094786-R3-014-5A.jpg
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff284/OptimusHonda/5-25-09/0094786-R2-047-22.jpg
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff284/OptimusHonda/09_12.jpg

Night time:

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff284/OptimusHonda/15_18.jpg
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff284/OptimusHonda/14_17.jpg
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff284/OptimusHonda/24_27.jpg
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff284/OptimusHonda/21_24.jpg

as you can see, very grainy and blurry.

Help

e2blade
08-27-2009, 03:58 PM
i found your problem, your using film. we arnt in the middle ages.
shoot with 800 iso or 1000 iso film. heres 800 iso in PURE dark, i used to shoot film, but then my dad got a job

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s127/e2blade/FH000016-2.jpg

now the question is, would you bone the skanky cheerleader

and your shooting at to low of a shutter speed or you shake alot
heres 400 iso film

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s127/e2blade/sam.jpg

die in a dick fire noob
08-27-2009, 04:21 PM
if you want to do really low light 1600 has some pretty cool results.

i think you really just need to take a photo class you'll learn a lot

Jason.AZ1
08-27-2009, 04:26 PM
if you want to do really low light 1600 has some pretty cool results.

i think you really just need to take a photo class you'll learn a lot

where? haha

e2blade
08-27-2009, 04:27 PM
a class!? you mean throw away that green thing called money?
experimenting and asking question is the BEST way to learn this thing called photography

the only thing your gonna benefit from a class is learning CS4 to the extreme

HondaFreak
08-27-2009, 04:34 PM
Your shots might also look better if you use a tripod.

die in a dick fire noob
08-27-2009, 05:39 PM
where? haha

had good experiences both at mcc and scc...

would never pay for asu or nau. i took photo 1, 2, color 1, 2, photo lab's numerous times, studio lighting 1, 2, digital 1, 2, photo history, and all the photoshop and maya classes they offered, as well as 2d design. it's amazing what "throwing your money away" will actually let you learn.

experimenting is cool and all but to actually have others doing it with you and helping you as well as the experience of a good professor is priceless.

one of my favorite teachers of all time is Robert Galloway (bob). he taught me a lot, as did Barbel Scianghetti. Both teach at MCC... barbel will teach you technique and printing in a dark room, bob will teach you to look at things completely differently from what you've ever done before.

e2blade
08-27-2009, 06:10 PM
i know they always say that you should start at the bottom and work you way up, i just dont see the point anymore to even use film. digital has surpassed film by triple fold. i can shoot at 6400 ISO with NO problems. i wanna see film even TRY to come that close. not to mention the fact that you have to BUY a rol filml of EACH time. then if condition changes and you dont have the right ISO, your fucked. then spend the time to get it developed or buy a EXPENSIVE machine that pulls in the negatives into PS for editing. man thats absoutely logical if you ask me

die in a dick fire noob
08-27-2009, 06:31 PM
oh i agree 100% i hate film and will never soot it again.

SlowLS
08-28-2009, 08:02 AM
i found your problem, your using film. we arnt in the middle ages.
shoot with 800 iso or 1000 iso film. heres 800 iso in PURE dark, i used to shoot film, but then my dad got a job

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s127/e2blade/FH000016-2.jpg

now the question is, would you bone the skanky cheerleader

and your shooting at to low of a shutter speed or you shake alot
heres 400 iso film

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s127/e2blade/sam.jpg

the first pic, did you use the flash? I was told not to use flash at night when some artificial light is available?

if you want to do really low light 1600 has some pretty cool results.

i think you really just need to take a photo class you'll learn a lot

does ritz carry 1600 cause everywhere else i have gone only carry 800 tops

i know they always say that you should start at the bottom and work you way up, i just dont see the point anymore to even use film. digital has surpassed film by triple fold. i can shoot at 6400 ISO with NO problems. i wanna see film even TRY to come that close. not to mention the fact that you have to BUY a rol filml of EACH time. then if condition changes and you dont have the right ISO, your fucked. then spend the time to get it developed or buy a EXPENSIVE machine that pulls in the negatives into PS for editing. man thats absoutely logical if you ask me

oh i agree 100% i hate film and will never soot it again.

i would love to get a canon DSLR but truth of the matter is i cant afford it. maybe one day, we'll see

e2blade
08-28-2009, 09:15 AM
both are shot with a SB 800 flash. there is no film camera to my knowledge that can capture that amount of light without a flash, my d700 can since i am able to ramp up ot 6400 iso with almost no grain and noise.

Pendulum
08-28-2009, 09:59 AM
Tempe Camera should have 1600

e2blade
08-28-2009, 10:05 AM
but then you get noise and grain! jesus christ

the most id shoot with is IF THAT a 1000. and definitely with a flash. its pretty hard to find a situation to even use 400 without a tri pod. 800 seems to be the best overall film.

if your gonna shoot below 400 use a tripod. and use your timer mode so you dont shake the camera

die in a dick fire noob
08-28-2009, 10:57 AM
i used 1600 for effect. like if i were shooting something downtown or something considered "gritty" then the grit on the film is perfect for that. it's not going to make a good portrait of course, but even that is debatable. if i shoot anything in daylight i use 100nc film.

ritz should have a few rolls of 1600 at the superstition store, anywhere else i don't know... a lot of them are closed down since they're in chapter 11, got my letter from the law firm a few weeks ago, i lol'd because they were not a good company to work for.

artificial light is sometimes necessary and pretty much always used in portrait photography. take a lighting course you'll learn tons...

SlowLS
08-28-2009, 12:41 PM
100nc?

die in a dick fire noob
08-28-2009, 05:10 PM
100nc is kodak film, i used that for less contrast and 100 velvia from fuji for more and deeper color saturation.

you should test out some slide film too... i love fuji slide film.