NASA-X (auto-x) has arrived in Arizona

[topramn]

NASA-X aka Autocross!

Sunday, October 25, 2009

NASA-X will be on the Firebird East Course

To register, go here --> https://www.nasaproracing.com/admin/event/993

IMO, FIR East should make for a better/safer road course for an autocross vs FIR West.

* Sunday Oct 25th (doesn't conflict with PHX or Tucson events)
* NASA-X classing
* 5-6 runs
* $40 for NASA members ($50 for non)
* NASA Trophies to the winners of each class
* Paid workers (i.e. NASA will hire workers so you don't have to shag cones)
* "Parade Lap" before each session starts

To register, go here --> https://www.nasaproracing.com/admin/event/993


NASA-X Rules:

http://www.nasaproracing.com/rules/nasa-x/NASA-X_Rules.pdf

NASA-X Classing:

http://www.nasaproracing.com/rules/nasa-x/NASA-X_Classes.pdf

Classing Form:

http://www.nasaproracing.com/rules/nasa-x/NASA-X_ClassForm.pdf








Updates from Tage!

IMO, FIR East should make for a better/safer road course for an autocross vs FIR West.

* Registration limit = "100"
* Gates open at 6 or 7AM (need to confirm w/FIR)
* 1st car out at 9AM (done by 1PM or sooner)

To register, go here --> https://www.nasaproracing.com/admin/event/993


Here's an entry list as of 10/21 @10:20AM
NASA-X R 2006 Tony Kart Racer EVS Shifter Kart White
NASA-X R 2004 Mazda RX-8 Black
NASA-X R 1986 Zink Z-19 Blk/White

NASA-X S 2007 Porsche GT3 Yellow

NASA-X U 1985 Chevy Camaro black
NASA-X U 1994 Pontiac Firebird Maroon
NASA-X U 1967 Camaro Coupe Silver and Purple
NASA-X U 1999 Chevrolet Corvette Blue

NASA-X A 1998 Pontiac Trans Am Silver
NASA-X A 2002 BMW M3 Silver

NASA-X B 1999 Mazda Miata Black
NASA-X B 2005 mitsubishi evo white
NASA-X B 2004 Mitsubishi Evo VIII Silver
NASA-X B 2004 HONDA S2000 BLUE
NASA-X B 1966 Chevrolet Corvette Red
NASA-X B 2004 Honda S2000 blue
NASA-X B 2005 Mitsubishi Evo White
NASA-X B 2005 Subaru Impreza STi Blue
NASA-X B 2006 Subaru Sti Blue
NASA-X B 2003 BMW M3 Black
NASA-X B 1999 Mazda Miata Black
NASA-X B 2003 BMW 330 Silver

NASA-X C 1995 BMW M3 Blue
NASA-X C 2007 Mini Cooper S Blue
NASA-X C 1991 Honda Civic Dx Red
NASA-X C 2009 Chevrolet Cobalt SS Sedan Black
NASA-X C 2004 MINI Cooper S Silver
NASA-X C 2007 saturn sky redline black
NASA-X C 2002 Porsche Boxster S Black
NASA-X C 2004 Nissan 350Z Track White
NASA-X C 1995 Honda Civic HB (Race Car) Black

NASA-X D 1993 mazda meita black
NASA-X D 2006 Mazda MX-5 silver
NASA-X D 2006 Mazda Rx-8 Blue
NASA-X D 2004 Volkswagen Golf R32 Blue
NASA-X D 2004 Dodge Neon SRT4 Silver
NASA-X D 2008 Subaru wrx White
NASA-X D 1987 BMW 325i SIlver
NASA-X D 1993 Mazda Miata Black
NASA-X D 1994 Acura Integra Thunder Grey Metallic

NASA-X E 2008 Honda civic Si Galaxy Grey
NASA-X E 1996 BMW 328is Silver
NASA-X E 1995 BMW 325 Red
NASA-X E 2007 Ford Mustang White
NASA-X E 1999 Mazda Miata Green
NASA-X E 2008 Mini Cooper S Dark Silver
NASA-X E 2001 Toyota Celica GT Carbon Blue
NASA-X E 1999 Mazda Miata green
NASA-X E 2009 mazda mx-5 yellow
NASA-X E 1999 Chevrolet S10 white
NASA-X E 2009 Mazda MX-5 Copper Red
NASA-X E 1999 Mazda Miata Blue
NASA-X E 2008 Mazda MX-5 Black

NASA-X F 1995 Honda Accord white
NASA-X F 1988 VW Jetta White
NASA-X F 1992 Honda Civic 1.5L non-vtec Dark Grey
NASA-X F 2003 Mazda Protege Blue
NASA-X F 2002 Lexus IS300 Silver
NASA-X F 1991 Mazda Miata Red


NOTE: The course map (attached at the bottom) is a VERY rough layout of the course. It is not to scale and it is subject to change so don't take it litterally. There's a couple variables such as how much cable I have for the timing lights which could alter the start and finish and the *features* used to keep speeds in check.

This is a description of the course and some of the thought process behind it:
1. Start immediately into an offset slalom (to reduce drag race advantage starts and reduce entry speed into the 1st offset of the road course)

2. Use the entire road course chicane feature

3. After the chicane, force an offset entry into a long and very fast slalom (i.e. the number of cones is TBD)

4. Use the road course sweeper to keep the speeds *exciting* (don't worry, there's lots of run off room just in case)

5. Leave the corner exit of the sweeper open but have a feature near the exit forcing you to go slower than normal (or else you'll have a crappy line, or clobber a bunch of cones)

6. Next up is a a decent sized straight and is un-altered for two primary reasons. The first is because this is the one section on this course that has solid objects and IMO it's safer to just leave this as a straight vs adding more "features" and increasing the chances of a spin/contact. The other reason is NASA-X classing has a much heavier bias towards cars with good power to weight ratios so this should actually be a bit of an equalizer between SCCA and NASA-X classing.

7. Next up are a couple high speed offsets, followed by a slow section which will use the actual road course.

8. The next section is normally a high speed area so it will be slowed down with a couple offset gates and likely a Chicago box before hitting another medium length straight.

9. The last section will use the road course unaltered and I'll have it finish on a small paved section off to the right from the normal road course.


http://www.azsolo.com/forums/index.php?act=attach&type=post&id=1065

http://www.azsolo.com/forums/index.php?act=attach&type=post&id=1066

[BlueTeg]

* Tentative "run/work" event (i.e. NASA will hire workers so you don't have to shag cones *IF* registration/revenue volume can justify it)



FTMFW. :clap:

time spent shagging cones > seat time = pretty much the reason I quit autocrossing and switched to lapping events.

[ILIKETODRIVE]

Count me in! Going to register in a bit.

[Tage]

Register early so I have time to find workers. If I have 40 people registered 3 days before the event and then all of a sudden get 20 more registrations in the last two days I doubt I'll have enough time to find enough workers! If you don't want to shag, cones (not that big of a deal IMO) then register early!

[Importfan2]

damn well if car doesnt make it to sedona run.. then im willing to work for some seat time..

[Agent Smith]

I'm so down.

[INTEGRA DC2]

I'm so down.

So down to beat the Sh*t out of my car? LETS DO IT, ill be there for sure

[topramn]

updated info

[ILIKETODRIVE]

Reg'd.

[berny2435]

Registered, Payed!

Finally signed up for a NASA membership again!

08 Civic Si - NXE

[fmx_dbc]

This sounds fun...I would like to try and make it

[berny2435]

any updates on Numbers for this event? speculated and current?

[topramn]

any updates on Numbers for this event? speculated and current?

not sure yet. will see if i can get some updates and post them.

[Ludehrt]

Locked and loaded. If you see a ef civic hatch with a white top, that be me.

[Agent Smith]

ugh... still heart wrenching sedona or this, lady friend will come up to sedona but not the track :( but I'd rather be on track...

[Tage]

any updates on Numbers for this event? speculated and current?

18 registered so far.

NASA-X R = 1
NASA-X S = 1
NASA-X A = 1
NASA-X B = 3
NASA-X C = 4
NASA-X D = 1
NASA-X E = 5
NASA-X F = 2

Speculated numbers??? Somewhere between 18 and 120??? LOL

[berny2435]

coo, plenty of time b/t now and then to get the numbers up. hopefully this event sees 100+. I want NASA X to succeed. NXE and NXF cars do need some adjusting though as some STX cars can't even get 1/2 prepped before faster miatas and ST cars enter into their classes with full mods.. . time will tell.

[ILIKETODRIVE]

I'm the only D car so far? Hmm.....

[berny2435]

I'm the only D car so far? Hmm.....

well, I could bump myself up to your class lol! No way I'm going to be any sort of competition for the 15+ year vetran in a ST prep 91 civic Si or the Celica GT in NXE unless a couple straights will get me a 1.5 second advantage. At least that's gauging myself off of FIR west results and if they don't run R comps eeek!

[Agent Smith]

i think simon is running r comps too :/

[berny2435]

It's all good, just in for the sport really.

[Agent Smith]

it's all about having FUN :) I have always had fun on track, even on the bad days when something breaks, it's always lots of fun.

[g2integy]

Is it cool to come watch ? I want to attend ,but first get a feel for it by watching ?

[Agent Smith]

of course you can come out & watch!

[g2integy]

of course you can come out & watch!

Hell yeah I eventually want to participate , but just nervous. So how it going man we met at Nopi a couple of years back. :wave1:

[Agent Smith]

where is the start & finish going to be?

[xracerx]

Is it cool to come watch ? I want to attend ,but first get a feel for it by watching ?
Me tooo. :thumbup:

[ssshhh]

gonna try and make it out, just to watch if nothing else.

[Sr20p10]

I was interested in signing up but it says no "begginners/ 1st timers". I've never auto-x'ed before and wanted to try it out.

[BlueTeg]

Keep in mind that NASA will be offering a Hyperdrive program at PIR in Nov. As a beginner you are eligible to participate in that. 40 bucks gets you on track with an instructor in the car w/ you.

[Vtecracer]

+1 for the hyperdrive....the absolute cheapest way to get your car on track and get your first intro into HPDE1.. this is a must do for anyone

[berny2435]

+1 for the hyperdrive....the absolute cheapest way to get your car on track and get your first intro into HPDE1.. this is a must do for anyone

I can promise you this, the NASAX event will be way more fun than a Hyperdrive. Way more steering inputs! Timed laps and some good competition to compare yourself too albeit newbs will be destroyed but none the less, thats typical. We literally have around 10 AutoXrs showing up at this event that have/could all win National Championships. Don't let any sort of intimidation get to you. We all started out somewhere.

Anyone that is new to this sport, don't be afraid to talk to any driver out there, especially me if you are signing up for this event and if you are from this Forum. I will give you rides in my car and or ride with you in your car to help if you want. Just look for a 08 Civic cpe, galaxy grey with silver enkei RPF1s.

Last SCCA AutoX I took my "Experienced" competitor on a ride with me and he knocked 0.6 seconds off of his lap times just by seeing my line. Even vetrans need to see/learn what others are doing to go faster.. . I still beat him though :sucker:

this event is going to be fun! the more cars entered, the more fun it becomes as well!

[BlueTeg]

From the NASA-X reg page: Novice autocrossers are okay but no beginners (i.e. no 1st time autocrosser/HPDEers).

I was interested in signing up......but I've never auto-x'ed before and wanted to try it out.

I can promise you this, the NASAX event will be way more fun than a Hyperdrive. Way more steering inputs! Timed laps and some good competition to compare yourself too albeit newbs will be destroyed but none the less, thats typical.



Please explain how will it be "more fun" than the Hyperdrive if he's not allowed to participate in it? :crazy:

[Agent Smith]

I'd say riding along in an auto-x all day would be more fun than 1 20min session of hyper drive, cheaper too, lol.


Anyways, looks like I'll be there in my pos civic. gotta refigure out classing again...

[berny2435]

From the NASA-X reg page: Novice autocrossers are okay but no beginners (i.e. no 1st time autocrosser/HPDEers).

Please explain how will it be "more fun" than the Hyperdrive if he's not allowed to participate in it? :crazy:


Well, whatever, the offer still stands as long as they are allowing ride alongs.

If you are a Novice autoXr, a 1 exp HPDE'r, a full blown pro, a NON-driver at the event (but want to to HPDE/AutoX), look me up if you want a ride or want to shoot the breeze.

I'm not offering a roller coaster ride for the day though. Just wanting to help if you want/need it.

I will be working the event as well so yeah.. . C you there.

[00' Integra]

How much is it to reg?
The links not working so ican't go to the site

[BlueTeg]

$40 for non-members
$50 for NASA members

the link seems to be working just fine for me.

[BlueTeg]

You guys are high if you think its more fun to ride along vs. drive the car yourself.
The costs for both events are about the same plus or minus 10 bucks.

I absolutely think he should come to the NASAX for a ridealong (free) AND do the Hyperdrive. I just differ in your stance that its more fun to "watch". ;) Reminds me of American Pie when Jim's dad is trying to explain the tennis metaphor to him.....

Jim's Dad: [about sex] It's like hitting a tennis ball against a brick wall, which can be fun. It can be fun - but it's not a game.
Jim: Right.
Jim's Dad: It's not a game.
Jim: No.
Jim's Dad: What you want is a partner to return the ball. You want a partner, don't you, son?
Jim: Oh yeah, Dad. I wan-I want a partner.
Jim's Dad: Good. Good. That's very good.

http://www.moviecitynews.com/columnists/dretzka/images/levy_pie.jpg

[tfizzle]

nevermind.

[berny2435]

You guys are high if you think its more fun to ride along vs. drive the car yourself.
The costs for both events are about the same plus or minus 10 bucks.

I absolutely think he should come to the NASAX for a ridealong (free) AND do the Hyperdrive. I just differ in your stance that its more fun to "watch". ;) Reminds me of American Pie when Jim's dad is trying to explain the tennis metaphor to him.....



dude, you are somethin else if I you think I'm trying to prove a point here with AutoX vs HPDE cuz I'm not. I've done over 8 HPDEs before. $ for $, a full day of HPDE is more fun.

I didn't know some of the people posting wouldnt be able to participate b/c of EXP level. Driving 30turns x 8 competition laps of AutoX on a road course track vrs ~10 turns x 10 laps of hyperdrive? whatever, a newb can have fun at either. Adrenaline will be flowing at either. Only thing that hyperdrive represents is something less confusing at higher speeds and isn't timed. its all good.

[BlueTeg]

dude, you are somethin else if I you think I'm trying to prove a point here with AutoX vs HPDE cuz I'm not.

You're not?

I can promise you this, the NASAX event will be way more fun than a Hyperdrive. Way more steering inputs! Timed laps and some good competition to compare yourself too albeit newbs will be destroyed but none the less, thats typical.






I didn't know some of the people posting wouldnt be able to participate b/c of EXP level.


The SR20p10 guy posted that he wanted to give it a try but couldn't because he did not have any experience....that is how and why the Hyperdrive was brought up in this thread in the first place.



Driving 30turns x 8 competition laps of AutoX on a road course track vrs ~10 turns x 10 laps of hyperdrive? whatever, a newb can have fun at either. Adrenaline will be flowing at either. Only thing that hyperdrive represents is something less confusing at higher speeds and isn't timed. its all good.

:thumbsup: I'm glad we agree on something. :)

[84b18]

the only honda i see clases for is the s2000

[Sr20p10]

Okay, so I would prefer HPDE, but I figured auto-x would be fun to try for once. Also, I actually signed up for that modified mag road course event awhile ago but couldnt run, because of a bad wheel bearing. Is there any info on the november event yet?

[LoooseGSR]

What are the numbers looking like for this? I registered in NXF, looking forward to getting a little seat time...it's been a while.

[topramn]

Okay, so I would prefer HPDE, but I figured auto-x would be fun to try for once. Also, I actually signed up for that modified mag road course event awhile ago but couldnt run, because of a bad wheel bearing. Is there any info on the november event yet?

http://www.azht.net/forum/showthread.php?t=109491

[topramn]

Updated original post

[IntegraAz]

Is it free to get into this if we just would like to spectate?

[BlueTeg]

Yes.

[Agent Smith]

Registered for NX-B :)

[LoooseGSR]

Agent Smith, look for me in a Silver IS300, since you're the other Justin Smith...lol

[built n/a]

I'd like to watch first. i just built a track car but never ran on a track before,what should i expect?i have a 95 si hatch 14:1 compression lsv 250 whp. what kind of tires should i use thats pretty much all im laggin on...

[Agent Smith]

Agent Smith, look for me in a Silver IS300, since you're the other Justin Smith...lol
Good deal, I'll be in the white integra.
I'd like to watch first. i just built a track car but never ran on a track before,what should i expect?i have a 95 si hatch 14:1 compression lsv 250 whp. what kind of tires should i use thats pretty much all im laggin on...
what kind of fuel are you running!???? who tuned it?
Tires, start with street tires, dz101's, RT-615's, KDW2's then work your way up to some nt01's etc...

[LoooseGSR]

I'd like to watch first. i just built a track car but never ran on a track before,what should i expect?i have a 95 si hatch 14:1 compression lsv 250 whp. what kind of tires should i use thats pretty much all im laggin on...

you've never driven on track before and you built that?

just gotta jump in man, definately drive on street tires first, maybe after a year or so, when you(and your instructor) think you're ready...then step up to R-Compounds.

Good Street tire would be a Falken Azenis, Dunlop Star Spec, Nitto NT05, Kumho XS, etc, those are all great tires that will give you good feedback but not let you go too fast so you won't learn.

Look forward to seeing you out there!

Justin

[built n/a]

Good deal, I'll be in the white integra.

what kind of fuel are you running!???? who tuned it?
Tires, start with street tires, dz101's, RT-615's, KDW2's then work your way up to some nt01's etc...
Im tuned on 110,tuned by Tony @ UMS.. Why do i start with street tires first??

[built n/a]

you've never driven on track before and you built that?

just gotta jump in man, definately drive on street tires first, maybe after a year or so, when you(and your instructor) think you're ready...then step up to R-Compounds.

Good Street tire would be a Falken Azenis, Dunlop Star Spec, Nitto NT05, Kumho XS, etc, those are all great tires that will give you good feedback but not let you go too fast so you won't learn.

Look forward to seeing you out there!

Justin

Let me put this out, i drag race,have lots of seat time on the qt mi. but wanna step my game up and take it on the track!I had a boosted hatch 505whp and ran10.60 but that car caught fire:( so street tires first,,thanks guys!

[Vtecracer]

Let me put this out, i drag race,have lots of seat time on the qt mi. but wanna step my game up and take it on the track!I had a boosted hatch 505whp and ran10.60 but that car caught fire:( so street tires first,,thanks guys!

You want to start on street tires first to find the tires and your limit with the car. This helps you learn a lot more about the car and your driving ability. When you find the limit (you can not get any more out of the car or driver) then switch up to stickier tires...

also remember with big horsepower comes big responsibility

I.E. Good brake pads or upgraded brakes, suspension, and then tires.

[LoooseGSR]

Let me put this out, i drag race,have lots of seat time on the qt mi. but wanna step my game up and take it on the track!I had a boosted hatch 505whp and ran10.60 but that car caught fire:( so street tires first,,thanks guys!

Just remember seat time in a drag car has absolutely no relation to seat time in a road race car, other than the fact that you're possibly sitting in the same car you drag race with.

Just be humble, listen to your instructor and don't get frustrated when you aren't as fast as you thought you would be. I've forced students to not shift out of 3rd gear and keep it under 60 around the whole track because they were out of control, then once they learned the line and braking points, they were allowed to speed up. This isn't how I instruct everyone, but sometimes it's necessary.

Justin

[Agent Smith]

Well, I had a blast! As expected, the car got pwnd in it's class, but it was still a lot of fun.

[built n/a]

You want to start on street tires first to find the tires and your limit with the car. This helps you learn a lot more about the car and your driving ability. When you find the limit (you can not get any more out of the car or driver) then switch up to stickier tires...

also remember with big horsepower comes big responsibility

I.E. Good brake pads or upgraded brakes, suspension, and then tires.

Ok thanks for the advice,well i have tein type-flex suspension,and si brakes i will def upgrade the brakes but what will be a good brake set-up but affordable???

[Agent Smith]

stock rotors, hawk hp+ pads or Colbalts CSR compound. Get good brake fluid though, superblue or motul both work great & at least a 15/16" master cylinder.

[built n/a]

Just remember seat time in a drag car has absolutely no relation to seat time in a road race car, other than the fact that you're possibly sitting in the same car you drag race with.

Just be humble, listen to your instructor and don't get frustrated when you aren't as fast as you thought you would be. I've forced students to not shift out of 3rd gear and keep it under 60 around the whole track because they were out of control, then once they learned the line and braking points, they were allowed to speed up. This isn't how I instruct everyone, but sometimes it's necessary.

Justin

Oh i know drag seat time is nothing compared to road racing..lol. is there a time and place where there is hardly any one at the trake so i could practice??

[built n/a]

stock rotors, hawk hp+ pads or Colbalts CSR compound. Get good brake fluid though, superblue or motul both work great & at least a 15/16" master cylinder.

thanks bro, ill def look into those. my brake booster is going out,since im doing all this should i get a si booster again??

[BlueTeg]

Ok thanks for the advice,well i have tein type-flex suspension,and si brakes i will def upgrade the brakes but what will be a good brake set-up but affordable???

Just get high temp fluid (ATE Blue or Motul) and the pads agent smith mentioned for your first few times out. That will be more than enough for you.

[BlueTeg]

Oh i know drag seat time is nothing compared to road racing..lol. is there a time and place where there is hardly any one at the trake so i could practice??

Not really. Your "practice" will be your first day of HPDE. No one out there (in HPDE1) is racing so don't feel like you have to keep up with others on track. They'll all be just as green as you and trying to figure everything out.
:thumbsup:

[berny2435]

good event. My lil stock powered civic hated a few areas and I really hated that first Chicago box.

I look forward to the next event even though I got SMASHED by Elliot in his 325 BMW :(:idiot:

[Agent Smith]

berny2435, what was your quickest time?

[ILIKETODRIVE]

SUPER fun event. My horribly classed D car did a 77.5 and I know I left about a second out there. On 205's (and in E ;)) I would have pulled the same time.

FYI - my car is TTE but NASA-X counts +1 per strut bar and +3 for Final Drive swap, placing me horribly classed in D.

[built n/a]

Not really. Your "practice" will be your first day of HPDE. No one out there (in HPDE1) is racing so don't feel like you have to keep up with others on track. They'll all be just as green as you and trying to figure everything out.
:thumbsup:
Hey thanks for the info,ill post something up when i get my car ready to have some test runs and maybe get some more pointers out there:drive:

[berny2435]

berny2435, what was your quickest time?

78.1x was my comp run but I nuged one of the first 3 cones at the start for a penalty.

On my 5th run I think I was in at 78.5X. Terrible showing for myself compared to how I do with SCCA. I have Zero power mods and stock shocks.. . I can't complain much though. I'm not spec'd out for NXE as I have 7 pts left but that doesn't buy me much. Note I already have 245 dunlop star specs(+1 add for NXE).

- +3 for upgrading my drop springs to coilovers.
- +0 for Hondata FLASHPRO I think http://www.hondata.com/flashpro.html
*** doesn't require modifying ECU physically. Just a falsh device in which is a free mod for boosted cars as well.
- +1 intake
- +2 exhaust (header)
- + 1 cat removal or replacement

so if the flashpro is considered a +3 adder. I'm really F'd for power.. . Otherwise, I'd be happy with my mods in NXE.

The car really needs Vtec lowered so I'd get the tune no matter what basically. I'd have to leave my exhaust stock and just do an intake or putting in a 2.5 highflow cat instead of stock probably wouldn't be worth it.. .

I'd get a +7 for adding R comps which I think I'd need to raise my car up with different drops springs. I'm not going to go R comps unless I shoot for NXD if NASA X becomes a stable event, 4+ times a year.

[Agent Smith]

... placing me horribly classed in D.
At least you weren't in B, in a honda with 205 azenis & no lsd, lol.

[berny2435]

At least you weren't in B, in a honda with 205 azenis & no lsd, lol.

Was that you in the supercharged Integra?

[Agent Smith]

Half the time yes, I was co-driving it, it's a good friend's car.

[Ludehrt]

Fun Times. I dont think I will be able to wait until February for the next one.

I think I did *relitively* well taking into account my 4 year haitus from the sport. My best time was a mid 82. I didnt get the hang of my non-powersteering NXC Civic DX until my final run.

Did anyone take any pictures?

[berny2435]

Fun Times. I dont think I will be able to wait until February for the next one.

I think I did *relitively* well taking into account my 4 year haitus from the sport. My best time was a mid 82. I didnt get the hang of my non-powersteering NXC Civic DX until my final run.

Did anyone take any pictures?

I'll post links to a guys photobook when it gets posted over in the AZsolo.com forum.

I have two videos on course. Didn't come out that great. forgot to move my passenger seat down on one and I need to play with the lighting to reduce glare on the other. hopefully I'll have those modified in a couple days.

I've had a 210whp, No PS, guttted K20 95 civic with 205 street tires trying to AutoX before. Not pretty, even with 205 kook R comps and not really that fun but that course wouldn't have been too bad for such a car as long as you don't have the true non-PS racks offered in those early civics. Those have a very non-friendly AutoX ratio. Best to get a PS rack out of a DC2 integra and convert it to a manual rack via a feedback look and a simple resevior. worked well on my car.

SCCA has a AutoX on Nov 8th. come on out! Being stuck in SM for SCCA is just as bad a Street tired Civic in NXC. course will be tighter and shorter though.. .

[berny2435]

Half the time yes, I was co-driving it, it's a good friend's car.

I was working station 6 (last chicago box) so I got to see that car in action. Definitely needed some more tire under it.

[ILIKETODRIVE]

I was working station 6 (last chicago box) so I got to see that car in action. Definitely needed some more tire under it.

So you got to see my 136whp non-VTEC Integra get whooped by some Miata's? :(

[berny2435]

So you got to see my 136whp non-VTEC Integra get whooped by some Miata's? :(

welcome to AutoX! lol

I thought that car sounded supercharged?

NASA X classing points can add up quick if you do a lot of little stuff to your car that may not help the setup much. Not sure if that HP:weight classing helps FWD cars out that much either.

be iaght. Several SCCA AutoX Nationals quality Drivers out there. You and I are underprepped and I'm down several years in AutoX experience compared to the vast majority of the people I lost too.. .

in 2 weeks I'm doing a AutoX Evolution Driving school and the day after is an event. Hopefully that will bump my skills as well as teaching myself more of the limits of my car. :lama:

[berny2435]

results

http://www.azsolo.com/forums/index.php?act=attach&type=post&id=1075

[ILIKETODRIVE]

welcome to AutoX! lol

I thought that car sounded supercharged?

Nope. Pretty much a stock JDM B18B that just sounds mean. ;)

If I can snag some used 205 RA-1's for cheap, I'll be NXE from here on out. :)

[berny2435]

Nope. Pretty much a stock JDM B18B that just sounds mean. ;)

If I can snag some used 205 RA-1's for cheap, I'll be NXE from here on out. :)

be better off with used 225 Kuhmo XS or toyo R1Rs for AutoX. Don't buy a set that's been used since they were full tread, those heat cycle out faster than shaved tires. My 2 sense after running 225/45/16 RA1s for autoX even when they were mine since new with 210whp 2450with driver 95 civic. I tried 205/50 used Kook med compound Z211s too and they weren't that good either. Any Kuhmo R comp will be better if you really want a R comp

[ILIKETODRIVE]

be better off with used 225 Kuhmo XS or toyo R1Rs for AutoX. Don't buy a set that's been used since they were full tread, those heat cycle out faster than shaved tires. My 2 sense after running 225/45/16 RA1s for autoX even when they were mine since new with 210whp 2450with driver 95 civic. I tried 205/50 used Kook med compound Z211s too and they weren't that good either. Any Kuhmo R comp will be better if you really want a R comp

I would prefer to get 225 R1R's or the new Hankook RS3's BUT I'm not about to shell out more than I paid for my NT-01's (I got them for less than $500 ;)).

[berny2435]

For the really light cars, the R1R, RS3 and kuhmo XS have proven to be worthy tires. Not much data on the Rs3 but I think it would fair better than the R1R for your car. I hear the R1Rs wear terribly fast.

You do a lot of HPDE compared to AutoX so it makes sense to go with the black crack you have come to love lol! I would probably do the same if I were you.

[ILIKETODRIVE]

For the really light cars, the R1R, RS3 and kuhmo XS have proven to be worthy tires. Not much data on the Rs3 but I think it would fair better than the R1R for your car. I hear the R1Rs wear terribly fast.

You do a lot of HPDE compared to AutoX so it makes sense to go with the black crack you have come to love lol! I would probably do the same if I were you.

x2 on the R1R. A lot of people say that they have good grip but wear pretty quick. No biggie for me; they would be NASA-X only tires. I've also heard great stuff about the XS and Star Spec.

[fmx_dbc]

Nope. Pretty much a stock JDM B18B that just sounds mean. ;)

If I can snag some used 205 RA-1's for cheap, I'll be NXE from here on out. :)

I know Kent has a set of 205 RA-1s I traded him that came on Mervins old car. Hit him up if you're serious. We need enduro tires

[ILIKETODRIVE]

I know Kent has a set of 205 RA-1s I traded him that came on Mervins old car. Hit him up if you're serious. We need enduro tires

Hmm...I know CJ has an old set of RA-1's I sold him for dirty cheap. I'm going to see if I can buy those back first, lol. I'll hit up your brother if he doesn't sell them back to me.

[Ludehrt]

Recap:

http://www.nasaaz.com/event-details/event-recap/nasa-x-returns-to-arizona/

http://www.nasaaz.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/wrapup6.jpg

[Agent Smith]

need more pics!

[ILIKETODRIVE]

need more pics!

x2

PS - got those 205 RA-1's. NXE here I come!

[Agent Smith]

so that means your letting bryant borrow the 225 nt01's so we can actually get a decent time in b class? lol.

[berny2435]

x2

PS - got those 205 RA-1's. NXE here I come!

better bring more than that!! :icon_lol: well.. . to beat that 325i anyways lol :d3:BMWs!!!

[ILIKETODRIVE]

so that means your letting bryant borrow the 225 nt01's so we can actually get a decent time in b class? lol.

Heheheh...heh........*sleep*

:lama:

[bbonds]

Heheheh...heh........*sleep*

:lama:

Ah ahh nice..:drunk2:

[ILIKETODRIVE]

Go back to your t-belts in the snow. ;)

[bbonds]

Go back to your t-belts in the snow. ;)

O'K SALTY:moon:

[ILIKETODRIVE]

Haha, you know I'm kidding budday.

:party2:

[bbonds]

Haha, you know I'm kidding budday.

:party2:



Hows my Buddys KEN and MARK doin, I hope they get hit by a bus on the way home today, tell them I said HI:beatdeadhorse2:

[iApex]

Hows my Buddys KEN and MARK doin, I hope they get hit by a bus on the way home today, tell them I said HI:beatdeadhorse2:

Last time I checked this was AZht.net. Shouldn't you be on COht.net or something? :partyparty:

[bbonds]

Last time I checked this was AZht.net. Shouldn't you be on COht.net or something? :partyparty:

I would be but they are all gay and cant build a race car to save there lives, the tuner seen here is lame besides it's hard to go fast with in the mile high, you have to run 105 + fuel..:SmokinBanana::autored::moon::smackself:

[iApex]

Haha thats why it's up to you to build one of the best track cars Colorado has ever seen! E*85 is the new wonder fuel. If it's available around you.:thumbup:

I would be but they are all gay and cant build a race car to save there lives, the tuner seen here is lame besides it's hard to go fast with in the mile high, you have to run 105 + fuel..:SmokinBanana::autored::moon::smackself:

[bbonds]

Ya E85 is available, there is a new track called Planes outside of Denver its really nice, I plan on building a EG with K24, I have the Garage for it might as well put it to use.

[dEaFHATCH]

Can't wait to get back to the states and start auto-xing again... How often do you guys normally have events in the Tucson area?
-Josh

[Agent Smith]

Tucson has them every month...
http://www.azbrscca.org/events/calendar.php

[dEaFHATCH]

I appreciate it
-Josh

[bwagon]

A little late to post about this event, but oh well. Nice event Tage! and for those of you who didn't make it to this one don't miss his next one. I'm Clint and I was running a white EVO in the earlier group of the day. I might run my integra next time, I think it would be pretty fun on those courses because of the higher avg speeds. It doesn't rotate so well on the tighter autox courses.

Glad to see Bernie takes over this forum too!