machida fight

[jdm egizzle 6]

Can any one tell me what happened I didn't get a chance to see it.

[dj KVS]

the most bullshit decision ever made is what happened.

[ALLBLVCK]

alien's took him and never brought him back,

hah,

i don't know i didn't watch it?
but i wanna know

[thakid]

I didnt get to watch it really. I was sent video text messages of it and it was hard to see. Machida won but they say bad call.

[Honduh_head]

the most bullshit decision ever made is what happened.

seriously. i was fucking STUNNED. shogun legitimately won 3 rounds at the least. machida's ribs and legs are proof of that.

[crx88]

seriously. i was fucking STUNNED. shogun legitimately won 3 rounds at the least. machida's ribs and legs are proof of that.
Damn, that's shitty! I wish I could of seen it.

[jdmrex1]

Anywere I can see the fight?

[SofaKingTyte]

machida won it, there was no bullshit call... he landed viscous knees throughout the whole fight and pressed rua multiple times with kicks and punches throughout the first 3 rounds, plus machida defended ALL of ruas take down attempts. all rua did was kick machidas legs and mid section but never got aggressive until round 5 when he land a few punches to cut machida. if rua wanted the belt then he should have played more offense then defense. Why should machida bring the fight to rua when machida has the belt rua wants?

I believe the winners by rounds went lyoto, lyoto, lyoto, draw, rua

[turboedsupe]

Rua should have won the fight. Landed way more kicks and kept ring control for almost the whole fight. Besides a couple knees, Machido didnt land or throw shit. So what he defended take downs but at least Rua tried a takedown

[jdm egizzle 6]

Mmmm sound like it wasn't worth watching

[SofaKingTyte]

the whole ppv was pretty good, but the main event was one of the weaker fights, it opened up with a really good KO lol and the neer/tibau and velasquez/rothwell fights were good ones

[Honduh_head]

Rua should have won the fight. Landed way more kicks and kept ring control for almost the whole fight. Besides a couple knees, Machido didnt land or throw shit. So what he defended take downs but at least Rua tried a takedown

All good points man

[Type - O]

total bullshit....

[crx88]

Anywere I can see the fight?

http://mixedmartialartvideos.com/lyoto-machida-vs-mauricio-shogun-rua-video-ufc-104/#more-8550

[kaioshin93]

machida won it, there was no bullshit call... he landed viscous knees throughout the whole fight and pressed rua multiple times with kicks and punches throughout the first 3 rounds, plus machida defended ALL of ruas take down attempts. all rua did was kick machidas legs and mid section but never got aggressive until round 5 when he land a few punches to cut machida. if rua wanted the belt then he should have played more offense then defense. Why should machida bring the fight to rua when machida has the belt rua wants?

I believe the winners by rounds went lyoto, lyoto, lyoto, draw, rua
i agree, although it was pretty close. machida blocked and parried most of shogun's attacks except for the leg kicks. he also avoided all of shogun's takedown atempts, landed good knees and punches. shogun did land a lot of leg kicks, but that's really it. based on the judging criteria, you get points for clean efficient and effective hits and his leg kicks did nothing to stop machida so they were neither efficient or effective.

[Honduh_head]

i agree, although it was pretty close. machida blocked and parried most of shogun's attacks except for the leg kicks. he also avoided all of shogun's takedown atempts, landed good knees and punches. shogun did land a lot of leg kicks, but that's really it. based on the judging criteria, you get points for clean efficient and effective hits and his leg kicks did nothing to stop machida so they were neither efficient or effective.

how were they not effective? just because he didn't quit from the leg kicks didn't mean they weren't effective. it was obvious machida was hurt from them. you are also supposed to give credit to the fighter with ring control which was obviously forgotten. ya machida had a couple flurries, but shogun kept consistant pressure, and landed consistant SCORING strikes. guess the judges forgot they were supposed to score without being biased towards the current champ. Machida without a DOUBT lost that fight, which is what everyone is saying in the MMA community.

[kaioshin93]

how were they not effective? just because he didn't quit from the leg kicks didn't mean they weren't effective. it was obvious machida was hurt from them. you are also supposed to give credit to the fighter with ring control which was obviously forgotten. ya machida had a couple flurries, but shogun kept consistant pressure, and landed consistant SCORING strikes. guess the judges forgot they were supposed to score without being biased towards the current champ. Machida without a DOUBT lost that fight, which is what everyone is saying in the MMA community.
it was close, and i would have hated to judge it. shogun's leg kicks were neither effective or efficient because he did nothing to capitalize and machida did not slow down from the leg kicks. shogun did land that monster kick to the ribs and i think that was the best hit of the night! you could see the welt getting bigger as the fight went on. i also agree that the fighter with ring control should get credit. shogun did initiate most of the attacks, but they were mostly leg kicks and other than that he was sticking to his strategy of being cautious and trying to get machida to come to him through counter strikes. i would say neither fighter had ring control, but shogun was definitely the aggressor. they're already planning a date for the rematch! it should be good!

[Honduh_head]

it was close, and i would have hated to judge it. shogun's leg kicks were neither effective or efficient because he did nothing to capitalize and machida did not slow down from the leg kicks. shogun did land that monster kick to the ribs and i think that was the best hit of the night! you could see the welt getting bigger as the fight went on. i also agree that the fighter with ring control should get credit. shogun did initiate most of the attacks, but they were mostly leg kicks and other than that he was sticking to his strategy of being cautious and trying to get machida to come to him through counter strikes. i would say neither fighter had ring control, but shogun was definitely the aggressor. they're already planning a date for the rematch! it should be good!

wurd i can see your point with that. machida def had some flurries in there, and i give him two rounds cuz of that. so IMO shogun won 3-2....BUT i would also hate to judge this fight, suuuuper close. it was a good fight though, very tense. i like how dana white went right passed machida to talk to shogun after the fight lol.

[Type - O]

i think shoguns kick were effective. when i would spar every little thing counted a kick here and there takes it toll. id rather get in a bunch of little hits, instead of taking a bunch of little hits while waiting for the opening for a big hit.

[jus-lookn03]

honestly machida lost that fight

[SweetNuts]

Well that was a bunch of BS Rua had the fight since the begining with ring control and his kicks. Machida didnt do too much of anything. Even Rogan and the other announcer kept saying the fight goes to Shogun.

[jdmrex1]

http://mixedmartialartvideos.com/lyoto-machida-vs-mauricio-shogun-rua-video-ufc-104/#more-8550

Thanks bro!
Well after watching the fight, i think that Shogun really had most of ring control. Yea he did throw a lot kicks to the legs but all those blows really slowed down Machida! Especially the kicks to the ribs, without a doubt Shogun had the fight!!
:pissed:

[kaioshin93]

Well that was a bunch of BS Rua had the fight since the begining with ring control and his kicks. Machida didnt do too much of anything. Even Rogan and the other announcer kept saying the fight goes to Shogun.

i kind of feel that rogan and the other announcer were biased in shogun's favor. they gave shogun credit for every little thing he did and barely made any mention of machida's attacks or blocking. there wasn't very much ring control at all because of the caution that both fighters were exhibiting. shogun was more aggressive, but never had ring control. if he had ring control, shogun is the type of fighter who'd know that. he is very opportunistic like machida and he would have immediately taken advantage of it and put the pressure on. dana white criticized both fighters for not being more aggressive towards the ends of each round and i agree. for someone who wanted the title so bad, shogun was really not very aggressive at all compared to his past fights.

[kaioshin93]

Thanks bro!
Well after watching the fight, i think that Shogun really had most of ring control. Yea he did throw a lot kicks to the legs but all those blows really slowed down Machida! Especially the kicks to the ribs, without a doubt Shogun had the fight!!
:pissed:
the leg kicks no doubt hurt, but they didn't slow machida down. the kick to the ribs messed him up for the rest of the fight. that kick was brutal!!! after all that though, shogun still wasn't even close to taking machida down. the rematch is going to be bad ass!!!!

[thakid]

i kind of feel that rogan and the other announcer were biased in shogun's favor. they gave shogun credit for every little thing he did and barely made any mention of machida's attacks or blocking. there wasn't very much ring control at all because of the caution that both fighters were exhibiting. shogun was more aggressive, but never had ring control. if he had ring control, shogun is the type of fighter who'd know that. he is very opportunistic like machida and he would have immediately taken advantage of it and put the pressure on. dana white criticized both fighters for not being more aggressive towards the ends of each round and i agree. for someone who wanted the title so bad, shogun was really not very aggressive at all compared to his past fights.

I hear you on the shogun not being more aggressive for the belt. But he is going against a guy who hasnt lost a fight or round. You dont want to get stupid and slip up and machida take advantage and knock him out.

[kaioshin93]

I hear you on the shogun not being more aggressive for the belt. But he is going against a guy who hasnt lost a fight or round. You dont want to get stupid and slip up and machida take advantage and knock him out.
that's very true. that's why i say that no one in that fight had control of the octagon. both fighters were extremely cautious of one another and shogun was a little more aggressive, but no one had control of the fight. i like both fighters a lot and i'm glad machida has finally lost a round. it gets rid of his whole "invincible" image.

[lowNslow]

Rd.1-Shogun
Rd.2-Shogun(close)
Rd.3- lyoto(close)
Rd.3-Lyoto
Rd.3-Shogun

That fight should have been Shogun's. He was the aggressor the ENTIRE fight. Lyoto really only had that one flurry and good takedown defense. Joe Rogan kept saying his name because Shogun was the one advancing and throwing good hard blows. It doesn't matter if they were kicks or punches they both do damage. I dont know what the judges saw but man....i really believed his lost that fight. Im a Lyoto fan but even i belive he lost.

[Big Al]

these guys are gunna meet up again believe that....and thats gunna be sum shit to see!!!

[AFFIRace]

If Shogun wanted the belt he shouldn't of left it to the judges. I've never seen a fighter win by kicks alone when the other guy is still fighting and defending himself the way Machida did. I think Machida won, not unanimously, but still won. Can't wait for the rematch.

[Prototype]

that fight was ridiculous!!!

[jdm egizzle 6]

it was close, and i would have hated to judge it. shogun's leg kicks were neither effective or efficient because he did nothing to capitalize and machida did not slow down from the leg kicks. shogun did land that monster kick to the ribs and i think that was the best hit of the night! you could see the welt getting bigger as the fight went on. i also agree that the fighter with ring control should get credit. shogun did initiate most of the attacks, but they were mostly leg kicks and other than that he was sticking to his strategy of being cautious and trying to get machida to come to him through counter strikes. i would say neither fighter had ring control, but shogun was definitely the aggressor. they're already planning a date for the rematch! it should be good!

When's the rematch?

[Honduh_head]

it hasn't been posted yet

[churchyegvtec]

machida won it, there was no bullshit call... he landed viscous knees throughout the whole fight and pressed rua multiple times with kicks and punches throughout the first 3 rounds, plus machida defended ALL of ruas take down attempts. all rua did was kick machidas legs and mid section but never got aggressive until round 5 when he land a few punches to cut machida. if rua wanted the belt then he should have played more offense then defense. Why should machida bring the fight to rua when machida has the belt rua wants?

I believe the winners by rounds went lyoto, lyoto, lyoto, draw, rua

couldnt have said it better myself pimp when your trying to take out the champ you gotta actually take him out no bs decision call should win a title fight

[kaioshin93]

couldnt have said it better myself pimp when your trying to take out the champ you gotta actually take him out no bs decision call should win a title fight

i agree. "if you want to beat the champ, you have to take down the champ."

[Honduh_head]

couldnt have said it better myself pimp when your trying to take out the champ you gotta actually take him out no bs decision call should win a title fight

i agree. "if you want to beat the champ, you have to take down the champ."

guess you guys missed the Rampage vs Griffin fight where Griffin won solely based on him being the aggressor and landing numerous leg kicks.

points are points. Dana White has already publicly announced that the decision was bogus and he's firing the judges. and for good reason. you CANNOT win a fight on counter punches alone. especially with the scoring system they have in place. even if the strikes were 1-1 (which they were not, shogun landed like 2-1 strikes) you are to get an extra point on ring control. so that means on a 10 point must system, the winner of each round if the striking were equal, but one fighter kept consistent ring control and pressure he/she automatically wins the round 10-9. shogun should have won the fight 48-47 based on this system. he won in strikes and ring control. there were no take downs, reversals, or knock downs to score in the fight so it was extremely close... but nonetheless Rua was clearly the victor.

[violentvalentine]

Sad...Shogun should have had one this. But I understand there is a lot of politics that goes on with the judges. Thats why you can never leave it to a decision.

[mtaz]

all rua did was kick machidas legs and mid section but never got aggressive until round 5 when he land a few punches to cut machida.
which is exactly what dana white said in the post-fight conference
the whole ppv was pretty good, but the main event was one of the weaker fights, it opened up with a really good KO lol and the neer/tibau and velasquez/rothwell fights were good ones
tibau is a fucking beast, but kinda dull fight

velasquez dominated rothwell but i think the stoppage was a little late and if anything bad timing especially when rothwell was standing up, although he was clearly getting the shit kicked out of him already

i agree, although it was pretty close. machida blocked and parried most of shogun's attacks except for the leg kicks. he also avoided all of shogun's takedown atempts, landed good knees and punches. shogun did land a lot of leg kicks, but that's really it. based on the judging criteria, you get points for clean efficient and effective hits and his leg kicks did nothing to stop machida so they were neither efficient or effective.
x2 :thumbup:
how were they not effective? just because he didn't quit from the leg kicks didn't mean they weren't effective. it was obvious machida was hurt from them. you are also supposed to give credit to the fighter with ring control which was obviously forgotten. ya machida had a couple flurries, but shogun kept consistant pressure, and landed consistant SCORING strikes. guess the judges forgot they were supposed to score without being biased towards the current champ. Machida without a DOUBT lost that fight, which is what everyone is saying in the MMA community.
versatility is also a factor, which shogun lacked completely. :facepalm: machida threw punches knees kicks, takedown defense was great, all shogun did was throw leg kicks and threw sloppy punches that didn't even land 90% of the time. i dont think it should have been a unanimous decision, but machida won for sure :boxer: and no way was shogun's effort worthy for the title

Well that was a bunch of BS Rua had the fight since the begining with ring control and his kicks. Machida didnt do too much of anything. Even Rogan and the other announcer kept saying the fight goes to Shogun.
rogan & goldberg are fuckin dumb they clearly weren't even paying attention to machida. they kept saying how shogun was winning the round even when he wasn't even landing anything. major fail!
Dana White has already publicly announced that the decision was bogus and he's firing the judges.
if a little girl bitch slaps you the whole fight and you answer back with knees and punches that actually do damage the whole time do you really think the bitch slaps are enough to win the fight? NO! and thats all that rua's kicks were. so they made a little redness by his ribs big deal. that didn't keep machida from fighting back, he never got taken down, shogun should've brought his A-Game to the fight if he really wanted to win the belt not some weak ass leg kicks. especially for a title fight he shouldn't have left it to the judges, end of story. they can rematch and machida will win again!

and here is an exact quote from dana white not just your opinion:

"'One of the things I always tell these guys is 'You can't leave it in the hands of the judges,'" White said. "You just can't do it. But at the end of every round, neither one of the guys went after it. Neither guy tried to steal the round. You saw it a lot in boxing – and these guys have got to learn it in MMA – is when that 30 seconds is left, go after it and try to steal that round. Neither one of them did it throughout the fight.'

White said that going round-by-round, he had Machida winning the fight, but that it was very close"

[Honduh_head]

reposting so you can read it again:

you CANNOT win a fight on counter punches alone. especially with the scoring system they have in place. even if the strikes were 1-1 (which they were not, shogun landed like 2-1 strikes) you are to get an extra point on ring control. so that means on a 10 point must system, the winner of each round if the striking were equal, but one fighter kept consistent ring control and pressure he/she automatically wins the round 10-9. shogun should have won the fight 48-47 based on this system. he won in strikes and ring control. there were no take downs, reversals, or knock downs to score in the fight so it was extremely close... but nonetheless Rua was clearly the victor.

you are not the champion until you defend the belt (according to matt hughes). machida had no business retaining the belt.

[monSTIer]

I had Machida in the 3rd round and Rua in the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th. I was going for Machida and was pissed that he won. These fighters train more than most people work. It is their life. Rua should have won hands down and if he is not rewarded for this "loss" with a big money/challenging fight then I will be looking at the UFC in a whole defferent way. I in no way wanted Rua to win but he did win and deserved it too. This is Machida's wake up call that he needs to treat every fight like he is fighting for the championship, because he is. Machida was the fan favorite and got boo'ed for his win.....that should tell you something too. This is a worst call than the Hamill vs Bisbing fight and raises the question if the UFC is coaching it's judges.

[Honduh_head]

i wouldn't say they are "coaching" them...however they are def waaaay too stuck on the boxing side of scoring

[mtaz]

^^ read this buddy, so you know how they really score the fights not just how you think they score the fights.

this is how the judges score the fight. its even broken down for you (so you can understand)

E. Judging Criteria
1. Judges are required to determine the winner of a bout that goes to it's full time limit based upon the following criteria:

-Clean Strikes
-Effective Grappling
-Octagon Control
-Effective Aggressiveness

F. Clean Strikes
1. The fighter who is landing both effective and efficient clean strikes.
2. There are two ways of measuring strikes:
-the total number of clean strikes landed (more efficient) SHOGUN LANDED WIMPY CLEAN SHOTS
-the total number of heavy strikes landed (more effective) MACHIDA LANDED HEAVY EFFECTIVE SHOTS

G. The heavier striker who lands with efficiency, deserves more credit from the Judges than total number landed.
1. If the striking power between the fighters was equal, then the total number landed would be used as the criteria.
2. The total number of strikes landed, should be of sufficient quantity favoring a fighter, to earn a winning round.

H. Strikes thrown from the top position of the guard, are generally heavier and more effective than those thrown from the back.
1. Thus a Judge shall recognize that effective strikes thrown from the top guard position are of "higher quality", than thrown from the bottom.
2. The Judge shall recognize that this is not always the case.
However, the vast majority of fighters prefer the top guard position to strike from. This is a strong indication of positional dominance for striking.

I. Effective Grappling
1. The Judge shall recognize the value of both the clean takedown and active guard position.
2. The Judge shall recognize that a fighter who is able to cleanly takedown his opponent, is effectively grappling.

SHOGUN DIDN'T DO THIS!!

3. A Judge shall recognize that a fighter on his back in an active guard position, can effectively grapple, through execution of repeated threatening attempts at submission and reversal resulting in continuous defense from the top fighter.
4. A Judge shall recognize that a fighter who maneuvers from guard to mount is effectively grappling.
5. A Judge shall recognize that the guard position alone shall be scored neutral or even, if none of the preceding situations were met.(items 2-4)
6. A Judge shall recognize that if the fighters remain in guard the majority of a round with neither fighter having an edge in clean striking or effective grappling, (items 2-4), the fighter who scored the clean takedown deserves the round.
7. A clean reversal is equal to a clean takedown in effective grappling

J. Octagon Control
1. The fighter who is dictating the pace, place and position of the fight.
2. A striker who fends off a grappler's takedown attempt to remain standing and effectively strike is octagon control.

THIS IS WHY MACHIDA WON!!!

3. A grappler who can takedown an effective standing striker to ground fight is octagon control.

THIS IS WHAT SHOGUN DIDN'T DO!!!!

4. The fighter on the ground who creates submission, mount or clean striking opportunities

K. Effective Aggressiveness
1. This simply means who is moving forward and finding success.(scoring)
2. Throwing a strike moving backwards is not as effective as a strike thrown moving forward.
3. Throwing strikes and not landing is not effective aggressiveness.

SHOGUN DID THIS=NOT EFFECTIVE AGGRESSIVENESS!!!

4. Moving forward and getting struck is not effective aggressiveness.

SHOGUN ALSO DID THIS!!!

5. Shooting takedowns and getting countered and fended off is not effective aggressiveness.

AND THIS!!!!

SO LETS ADD IT ALL UP SHALL WE?

CLEAN STRIKES (MACHIDA) + EFFECTIVE GRAPPLING (MACHIDA) + OCTAGON CONTROL (MACHIDA) + EFFECTIVE AGGRESSIVENESS (MACHIDA) = MACHIDA AKA WHY HE STILL HOLDS THE BELT

[monSTIer]

^^ read this buddy, so you know how they really score the fights not just how you think they score the fights.

this is how the judges score the fight. its even broken down for you (so you can understand)

E. Judging Criteria
1. Judges are required to determine the winner of a bout that goes to it's full time limit based upon the following criteria:

-Clean Strikes
-Effective Grappling
-Octagon Control
-Effective Aggressiveness

F. Clean Strikes
1. The fighter who is landing both effective and efficient clean strikes.
2. There are two ways of measuring strikes:
-the total number of clean strikes landed (more efficient) SHOGUN LANDED WIMPY CLEAN SHOTS
-the total number of heavy strikes landed (more effective) MACHIDA LANDED HEAVY EFFECTIVE SHOTS

G. The heavier striker who lands with efficiency, deserves more credit from the Judges than total number landed.
1. If the striking power between the fighters was equal, then the total number landed would be used as the criteria.
2. The total number of strikes landed, should be of sufficient quantity favoring a fighter, to earn a winning round.

H. Strikes thrown from the top position of the guard, are generally heavier and more effective than those thrown from the back.
1. Thus a Judge shall recognize that effective strikes thrown from the top guard position are of "higher quality", than thrown from the bottom.
2. The Judge shall recognize that this is not always the case.
However, the vast majority of fighters prefer the top guard position to strike from. This is a strong indication of positional dominance for striking.

I. Effective Grappling
1. The Judge shall recognize the value of both the clean takedown and active guard position.
2. The Judge shall recognize that a fighter who is able to cleanly takedown his opponent, is effectively grappling.

SHOGUN DIDN'T DO THIS!!

3. A Judge shall recognize that a fighter on his back in an active guard position, can effectively grapple, through execution of repeated threatening attempts at submission and reversal resulting in continuous defense from the top fighter.
4. A Judge shall recognize that a fighter who maneuvers from guard to mount is effectively grappling.
5. A Judge shall recognize that the guard position alone shall be scored neutral or even, if none of the preceding situations were met.(items 2-4)
6. A Judge shall recognize that if the fighters remain in guard the majority of a round with neither fighter having an edge in clean striking or effective grappling, (items 2-4), the fighter who scored the clean takedown deserves the round.
7. A clean reversal is equal to a clean takedown in effective grappling

J. Octagon Control
1. The fighter who is dictating the pace, place and position of the fight.
2. A striker who fends off a grappler's takedown attempt to remain standing and effectively strike is octagon control.

THIS IS WHY MACHIDA WON!!!

3. A grappler who can takedown an effective standing striker to ground fight is octagon control.

THIS IS WHAT SHOGUN DIDN'T DO!!!!

4. The fighter on the ground who creates submission, mount or clean striking opportunities

K. Effective Aggressiveness
1. This simply means who is moving forward and finding success.(scoring)
2. Throwing a strike moving backwards is not as effective as a strike thrown moving forward.
3. Throwing strikes and not landing is not effective aggressiveness.

SHOGUN DID THIS=NOT EFFECTIVE AGGRESSIVENESS!!!

4. Moving forward and getting struck is not effective aggressiveness.

SHOGUN ALSO DID THIS!!!

5. Shooting takedowns and getting countered and fended off is not effective aggressiveness.

AND THIS!!!!

SO LETS ADD IT ALL UP SHALL WE?

CLEAN STRIKES (MACHIDA) + EFFECTIVE GRAPPLING (MACHIDA) + OCTAGON CONTROL (MACHIDA) + EFFECTIVE AGGRESSIVENESS (MACHIDA) = MACHIDA AKA WHY HE STILL HOLDS THE BELT

He lost. He was not happy with the win. I guess any fight could be argued but I stand buy my OPINION based on the rules that MY GUY lost.

[Honduh_head]

^^ read this buddy, so you know how they really score the fights not just how you think they score the fights.

this is how the judges score the fight. its even broken down for you (so you can understand)

E. Judging Criteria
1. Judges are required to determine the winner of a bout that goes to it's full time limit based upon the following criteria:

-Clean Strikes
-Effective Grappling
-Octagon Control
-Effective Aggressiveness

F. Clean Strikes
1. The fighter who is landing both effective and efficient clean strikes.
2. There are two ways of measuring strikes:
-the total number of clean strikes landed (more efficient) SHOGUN LANDED WIMPY CLEAN SHOTS
-the total number of heavy strikes landed (more effective) MACHIDA LANDED HEAVY EFFECTIVE SHOTS

G. The heavier striker who lands with efficiency, deserves more credit from the Judges than total number landed.
1. If the striking power between the fighters was equal, then the total number landed would be used as the criteria.
2. The total number of strikes landed, should be of sufficient quantity favoring a fighter, to earn a winning round.

H. Strikes thrown from the top position of the guard, are generally heavier and more effective than those thrown from the back.
1. Thus a Judge shall recognize that effective strikes thrown from the top guard position are of "higher quality", than thrown from the bottom.
2. The Judge shall recognize that this is not always the case.
However, the vast majority of fighters prefer the top guard position to strike from. This is a strong indication of positional dominance for striking.

I. Effective Grappling
1. The Judge shall recognize the value of both the clean takedown and active guard position.
2. The Judge shall recognize that a fighter who is able to cleanly takedown his opponent, is effectively grappling.

SHOGUN DIDN'T DO THIS!!

3. A Judge shall recognize that a fighter on his back in an active guard position, can effectively grapple, through execution of repeated threatening attempts at submission and reversal resulting in continuous defense from the top fighter.
4. A Judge shall recognize that a fighter who maneuvers from guard to mount is effectively grappling.
5. A Judge shall recognize that the guard position alone shall be scored neutral or even, if none of the preceding situations were met.(items 2-4)
6. A Judge shall recognize that if the fighters remain in guard the majority of a round with neither fighter having an edge in clean striking or effective grappling, (items 2-4), the fighter who scored the clean takedown deserves the round.
7. A clean reversal is equal to a clean takedown in effective grappling

J. Octagon Control
1. The fighter who is dictating the pace, place and position of the fight.
2. A striker who fends off a grappler's takedown attempt to remain standing and effectively strike is octagon control.

THIS IS WHY MACHIDA WON!!!

3. A grappler who can takedown an effective standing striker to ground fight is octagon control.

THIS IS WHAT SHOGUN DIDN'T DO!!!!

4. The fighter on the ground who creates submission, mount or clean striking opportunities

K. Effective Aggressiveness
1. This simply means who is moving forward and finding success.(scoring)
2. Throwing a strike moving backwards is not as effective as a strike thrown moving forward.
3. Throwing strikes and not landing is not effective aggressiveness.

SHOGUN DID THIS=NOT EFFECTIVE AGGRESSIVENESS!!!

4. Moving forward and getting struck is not effective aggressiveness.

SHOGUN ALSO DID THIS!!!

5. Shooting takedowns and getting countered and fended off is not effective aggressiveness.

AND THIS!!!!

SO LETS ADD IT ALL UP SHALL WE?

CLEAN STRIKES (MACHIDA) + EFFECTIVE GRAPPLING (MACHIDA) + OCTAGON CONTROL (MACHIDA) + EFFECTIVE AGGRESSIVENESS (MACHIDA) = MACHIDA AKA WHY HE STILL HOLDS THE BELT

ya i guess you're right, and all those experienced MMA guys are wrong.

[mtaz]

ya i guess you're right, and all those experienced MMA guys are wrong.

wow, you are that ignorant. i even said it shouldn't have been unanimous but machida still won 3 rounds and shogun 2 based on the judges scoring. he won, even dana white said he had him winning the fight. if by "all those experienced MMA guys" you mean you and all you shogun funs, yeah you all are wrong. if you dont know how the bouts are scored don't say anything. machida won, yeah the fight wasn't an exciting knockout like we were expecting but based upon the scoring machida won. end of story bro. :argue: just give it up and stop :beatdeadhorse2: and just hope that shogun gives it his all in the rematch

[Honduh_head]

wow, you are that ignorant. i even said it shouldn't have been unanimous but machida still won 3 rounds and shogun 2 based on the judges scoring. he won, even dana white said he had him winning the fight. if by "all those experienced MMA guys" you mean you and all you shogun funs, yeah you all are wrong. if you dont know how the bouts are scored don't say anything. machida won, yeah the fight wasn't an exciting knockout like we were expecting but based upon the scoring machida won. end of story bro. :argue: just give it up and stop :beatdeadhorse2: and just hope that shogun gives it his all in the rematch

i'm talking about people outside of the UFC. i'm not some half assed fan. MMA is seriously all i do/care about.

[Honduh_head]

the axe murderer said it best IMO:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVhB9vNNZQQ

[mtaz]

bro, i could honestly care less how much you're into MMA, just like you probably don't care how much i'm into it. I never said you were a half assed fan or anything like that all i said was that based upon what the judges are given to score a bout, Machida won. It was a close fight, honestly it would've been better off as a draw. but thats just imo.

as far as wanderlei's sob story? really, your gonna pull out the biased card? wow, well considering wanderlei is a training partner of Rua's, it doesn't matter what he has to say just like Anderson Silva's take on the fight doesn't matter cuz he trains with Machida. but since you brought it up, here you go:

Anderson Silva: “I already said that Shogun did a great fight and I applaud him for the amazing fight he did, but in my opinion the leg kicks were not enough to decide the fight. Lyoto was more efficient, and in my opinion he won every round.”

They're both going to want their teammate to win, obviously.

as far as Most of the MMA guys you're referring to? actually most Pros (trainers & fighters) have said that it should've been a draw. which i agree, woud've been a better decision. Rua shouldn't have expected to have the win handed over to him. He should've gave it his all. f Rua wanted the belt as much as he said he did he should've gave it his all and if Machida wanted to defend the title he should've done the same. Even in the post-fight conference Rua said "my corner was telling me i was winning the fight so thats why i didnt press the action in the final round, because i thought i was winning" and Machida "it was all just a matter of strategy i thought about saving myself a little bit in the 4th round just in case it went to the 5th so i could have energy to explode in the 5th round and have strength in the 5th." which neither of them did imo. They should've put everything into this fight but i just hope they both put on a better performance in a rematch!

[monSTIer]

bro, i could honestly care less how much you're into MMA, just like you probably don't care how much i'm into it. I never said you were a half assed fan or anything like that all i said was that based upon what the judges are given to score a bout, Machida won. It was a close fight, honestly it would've been better off as a draw. but thats just imo.

as far as wanderlei's sob story? really, your gonna pull out the biased card? wow, well considering wanderlei is a training partner of Rua's, it doesn't matter what he has to say just like Anderson Silva's take on the fight doesn't matter cuz he trains with Machida. but since you brought it up, here you go:

Anderson Silva: “I already said that Shogun did a great fight and I applaud him for the amazing fight he did, but in my opinion the leg kicks were not enough to decide the fight. Lyoto was more efficient, and in my opinion he won every round.”

They're both going to want their teammate to win, obviously.

as far as Most of the MMA guys you're referring to? actually most Pros (trainers & fighters) have said that it should've been a draw. which i agree, woud've been a better decision. Rua shouldn't have expected to have the win handed over to him. He should've gave it his all. f Rua wanted the belt as much as he said he did he should've gave it his all and if Machida wanted to defend the title he should've done the same. Even in the post-fight conference Rua said "my corner was telling me i was winning the fight so thats why i didnt press the action in the final round, because i thought i was winning" and Machida "it was all just a matter of strategy i thought about saving myself a little bit in the 4th round just in case it went to the 5th so i could have energy to explode in the 5th round and have strength in the 5th." which neither of them did imo. They should've put everything into this fight but i just hope they both put on a better performance in a rematch!

So you started out saying Machida won and now your trying to say it should have been a draw??? I stand behind what I said. When I watch a fight I watch it very carefully....maybe you should watch it again. Machida won the third round and that is it.

[mtaz]

So you started out saying Machida won and now your trying to say it should have been a draw??? I stand behind what I said. When I watch a fight I watch it very carefully....maybe you should watch it again. Machida won the third round and that is it.

wow did you even read what i said? I said "Machida won, based on the judges scoring" and i also said "shogun can't win on leg kicks alone" and then i said "it would've been better off as a draw" because then there would be nothing for shogun fans to argue about.

you should pay a little more attention and not say anything unless you know what you're talking about.

dude you obviously dont know much about mma, if you think machida only won the 3rd round.

[monSTIer]

wow did you even read what i said? I said "Machida won, based on the judges scoring" and i also said "shogun can't win on leg kicks alone" and then i said "it would've been better off as a draw" because then there would be nothing for shogun fans to argue about.

you should pay a little more attention and not say anything unless you know what you're talking about.

dude you obviously dont know much about mma, if you think machida only won the 3rd round.

No need to waste anymore of my time arguing this with you. I have a life. GL

[mtaz]

No need to waste anymore of my time arguing this with you. I have a life. GL

for the record, you're the one who said something in the 1st place.

[kaioshin93]

i guess we can all agree on one thing here, the rematch is going to be an awesome fight!!! :wink:

[mtaz]

i guess we can all agree on one thing here, the rematch is going to be an awesome fight!!! :wink:

thats for sure! supposedly it's going to be Jan 2nd for UFC 108
so if it's true, it'll be

Machida vs Shogun 2
Lesnar vs Carwin
Silva vs Belfort

plus a ton of other good fights

[Honduh_head]

thats for sure! supposedly it's going to be Jan 2nd for UFC 108
so if it's true, it'll be

Machida vs Shogun 2
Lesnar vs Carwin
Silva vs Belfort

plus a ton of other good fights

man that would be a stacked card. def ordering that on PPV!

[Honduh_head]

bro, i could honestly care less how much you're into MMA, just like you probably don't care how much i'm into it. I never said you were a half assed fan or anything like that all i said was that based upon what the judges are given to score a bout, Machida won. It was a close fight, honestly it would've been better off as a draw. but thats just imo.

as far as wanderlei's sob story? really, your gonna pull out the biased card? wow, well considering wanderlei is a training partner of Rua's, it doesn't matter what he has to say just like Anderson Silva's take on the fight doesn't matter cuz he trains with Machida. but since you brought it up, here you go:

Anderson Silva: “I already said that Shogun did a great fight and I applaud him for the amazing fight he did, but in my opinion the leg kicks were not enough to decide the fight. Lyoto was more efficient, and in my opinion he won every round.”

They're both going to want their teammate to win, obviously.

as far as Most of the MMA guys you're referring to? actually most Pros (trainers & fighters) have said that it should've been a draw. which i agree, woud've been a better decision. Rua shouldn't have expected to have the win handed over to him. He should've gave it his all. f Rua wanted the belt as much as he said he did he should've gave it his all and if Machida wanted to defend the title he should've done the same. Even in the post-fight conference Rua said "my corner was telling me i was winning the fight so thats why i didnt press the action in the final round, because i thought i was winning" and Machida "it was all just a matter of strategy i thought about saving myself a little bit in the 4th round just in case it went to the 5th so i could have energy to explode in the 5th round and have strength in the 5th." which neither of them did imo. They should've put everything into this fight but i just hope they both put on a better performance in a rematch!

i would have been happier with a draw...cuz IMO a unanimous decision was a bad result

[mtaz]

man that would be a stacked card. def ordering that on PPV!

for sure

[Honduh_head]

you watching that fedor fight on saturday?

[kaioshin93]

you watching that fedor fight on saturday?

i want to watch that fight! it would have been interesting if fedor actually made it to ufc. i wanted to see him fight lesnar so bad!

[Honduh_head]

it may happen, he will be a free agent next year

[mtaz]

fedor ftw!