code 8!!!!!!!! pain in my ass.... plz advise

[S2kkk89]

ok so here is the issue. I changed my dizzy a couple of weeks ago. car started and ran fine for about one test drive. i later went to school and the car started to go into limp mode. me and my fellow honda head friend checkd the codes and came up wit code 8. so we changed the dizzy again. car now struggles through the rpm'sand seems to b missing. and i still pull code 8 but not till the car warms up. its a brand new dizzy. changed the plugs.... and made sure the 3 major ground points r makn connection. i am running a skunk2 chipped ecu... we even tried a virgin p28 and still struggles. compression shows in every cylander at 225. amd timing is perfect.

[MannyaK]

hahaha when i read that you put on the title "pain in my ass" i was going to say Preperation H works =)

[S2kkk89]

some advise may help

[MannyaK]

consider trying a stock ecu to see if its probably your ecu thats acting up

also check your wires

good luck ;)

[S2kkk89]

tried stock ecu. still struggles. wires r brand new

[S2kkk89]

my ecu is perfect

[MannyaK]

well u know i work in a place where we get customer who buy new shit and its still defected

[that one guy]

still not working? Probably the dizzy is bad.. we got a brand new distributor from autozone with new cap/rotor. you must work at autozone huh

[S2kkk89]

alright the car has been running for about 3-4 months really fukn strong on this ecu and as soon as i switch dizzys the thing runs like shit so i changed dizzy for a second time and also did new cap and rotor...... still fukn like no power.

[MannyaK]

check basic things your probably over looking something very simple

[S2kkk89]

believe us...... we have.....

[MannyaK]

whos us

[ef-on-u]

im thinkin its a ground somewhere. check your ecu wires and make sure there plugged in fully into the clip. i had this same thing happen and it was the coil/ignitor gl

[Dead Bird]

im thinkin its a ground somewhere. check your ecu wires and make sure there plugged in fully into the clip. i had this same thing happen and it was the coil/ignitor gl

grounds double checked and dizzy is brand new. this is the second brand new dizzy of his in one week. ecu wires r good car runs jus very shittaly..

[Dead Bird]

whos us

the ppl that built this motor. me and him

[MannyaK]

so is there soemthing you guys think might be the problem?

[Dead Bird]

dizzy may b fukd again idk. um.... injectors mayb an issue too but we seem to b getting fuel...... honestly we built about 5 motors and none have had this problem. wtf we r stumped

[rotneg]

ok so i dont know what motor you have but i came up with code eight as tdc sensor which has nothing to do with your distributor its either a bad sensor which is the most likely cause or the car has jumped timing

[Mr.Burner]

ok so i dont know what motor you have but i came up with code eight as tdc sensor which has nothing to do with your distributor

Im guessing a ls v with type r pistons. Tdc sensor is in the distributor


if your getting the same code 8 with a different dizzy and ecu, then it has to be wiring somewhere in the harness.
.

[smooth]

1 answer Joe At Locash!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[familywagon]

If I read correctly; your car was acting up and after changing dizzy it's still acting up but with slightly different symptons but same code. I would return dizzy again, especially if brand new is actually a reman. Mine would miss when I hit approx 6k and tach went nuts. Changed dizzy and then car would just shut off like someone flipped a switch after 5-8 mins running. Then changed main relay. Still had same fault. Exchanged dizzy again and car has been running great ever since. Point being; if its a reman dizzy, try replacing it again! Good luck!!

[kepdude]

this is a long shot but did you acsidently disconnect a injector???

[ef-on-u]

dood im lost i really dont know on this one. if i think of anything ill let u kno its been buggin me since i read this

[S2kkk89]

alright all. injectors r all connected. dizzy is reman... but cmon 2 dizzys but different symptoms.... possible i guess. um. honestly considering goin to locash and jus havin joe hook his magic wond up to my vehicle and fixn it without a second to spare. but money is also an issue. will try new dizzy.

and motor is a gsr blok w/ srp 81.5mm 10.5:1 pistons, acl full block bearings, head is b16 w/itr cams. ass load of bolt-ons.

basically a 13 second car.... but now im lucky if she'll make it down the strip in less than 20. lololololoolol... not that funny

[S2kkk89]

help anyone nothin is workn. car actin the same

[Dead Bird]

grounds double checked and dizzy is brand new. this is the second brand new dizzy of his in one week. ecu wires r good car runs jus very shittaly..

the ppl that built this motor. me and him

dizzy may b fukd again idk. um.... injectors mayb an issue too but we seem to b getting fuel...... honestly we built about 5 motors and none have had this problem. wtf we r stumped

For the record, He was using my SN to post these. I didn't write those. I've built more than 5 motors, but assembly isn't the only part of a healthy, long lasting motor.


But a couple things he left out:
Car used to idle at/around 11-1200 healthily. Now sits around 750 stuttering and rough.

The CEL #8 only comes on at times, but the car falls on its face when its on or off. Only difference the butt dyno knows is no vtec.

After doing some troubleshooting/researching, we disconnected the vacuum line to the FPR. The idle instantly jumped back up to normal(for the ecu), but car still felt much too slow and no different. We did NOT pinch the end of the hose connected to the manifold off and test drive it, he was getting irritated and didn't wanna try anymore. People having similar problems as this and similar symptoms pinched the line connected to the IM and their cars ran good again.

So my diagnosis is there is a fuel problem. Where? Not sure. The code #8 is just coincidental, and can be fixed seperately.

[Mr.Burner]

clamp off the fuel return line and see if pressure maxes the gauge, that will tell you if your pump is healthy....

[Dead Bird]

No tengo el Gaugo

[imm0rtal]

did you line up the dizzy with the one that came off to make sure it was in the same position? I installed a dizzy without lining up the line on the male end of it with the old one and my car ran like ass until I redid it lol

[Dead Bird]

ya we've moved the position of it all around trying different things

[S2kkk89]

ttt need some help. trying new dizzy soon. if this dont work will try new harness, if that dont work. i fold. joe can fix her up on some boost

[onefst91hatch]

check the ground that goes to the thermostat housing. make sure it is tight and the housing is clean. check your dizzy plugs and make sure none of the pins popped out of the plug. or you can bring it to my shop and we could take a look at it for ya. i would also double check your cam timing. one cam being a tooth off could make it seem sluggish.

[S2kkk89]

checkd cam timing about 100 times lol. thought that was the reason y it was fukn up first. how much would ur shop charge

[onefst91hatch]

checkd cam timing about 100 times lol. thought that was the reason y it was fukn up first. how much would ur shop charge

pm'd

[familywagon]

ttt need some help. trying new dizzy soon. if this dont work will try new harness, if that dont work. i fold. joe can fix her up on some boost

Did you try a new / different dizzy? Was really hoping it would be that easy for you as it was for me. Getting a bad part out of the box can really put you in a tail spin.

[S2kkk89]

havent tried one yet. lol dont have a ride. im thinkn today around 3 i will b gettn one. but what i really wanna do is put a know workn dizzy on my motor and see how it acts. or put my remanufactured dizzy on a known workn motor. jus to test the waters. cuz i think my dizzy is good. which sux

[familywagon]

havent tried one yet. lol dont have a ride. im thinkn today around 3 i will b gettn one. but what i really wanna do is put a know workn dizzy on my motor and see how it acts. or put my remanufactured dizzy on a known workn motor. jus to test the waters. cuz i think my dizzy is good. which sux

I'd be willing to help you out.. I have an obd1 gsr. If that's what your running, pm me.

[Dead Bird]

It is.

[familywagon]

It is.

Where's the car?

[Dead Bird]

surprise

[familywagon]

Alrigtht. I'm in Goodyear. Can probably come by Fri or Sat night??

[Dead Bird]

he's on a weird ass schedule right now. probably won't wake up for a few more hours here.

[familywagon]

Well I'm willin to try and help you guys out and eliminate the dizzy. I always have a crazy schedule too. Just give me a heads up sooner than later if you ever wanna swap my in real quick.

[S2kkk89]

think im jus gonna go up to performance one. this shit has been goin on for over a month and worked on it for a while. thing is maken me very frustraited. gonna let some1 else fuk around wit some of them fancy computer things.....lol diagnosatizers or whatever.

[Mr.Burner]

put exhaust on that bitch and drop it off at my house, im only a baseball through away...i have diag tools here.

[S2kkk89]

lol super burner to the rescue.......... ill get a axle-bak soon and limp her on over. thanks a billion man

[familywagon]

You never texted me back homie.. Well hope your able to get it going with Mr.Burners help

[Mr.Burner]

Its a win win situation.. lol jk

[S2kkk89]

i was gonna doubl check the dizzys wit u.... but i decided to save us both the hastle by jus goin over to burners house. but thanks a million for offering help... much appriciated

[S2kkk89]

check oil pan for glitter and any other shavings. no sign of spun bearing. rods have no play. wtf is up?

[S2kkk89]

suck my mother fukn dik, suk my dik!

[familywagon]

Its a win win situation.. lol jk

suck my mother fukn dik, suk my dik!

I guess it wasn't a win win situation. Dam bro, I'm starting to feel bad for you!

[S2kkk89]

well i havent went to get diag. yet. im jus in need of an axlebak. wtf no one has one...

[Mr.Burner]

so let me guess....no spun bearings huh?

[Dead Bird]

so let me guess....no spun bearings huh?

check oil pan for glitter and any other shavings. no sign of spun bearing. rods have no play. wtf is up?

id say no

[Mr.Burner]

didnt see that post...my bad.

[Dead Bird]

lol

[Nachooooosupreme]

have you guys checked all the sensors and made sure they were good?

[S2kkk89]

we have double checked tps sensor, map sensor. vtec pressure, idk how to check for anything else without diag tools. PPL PLZ HIT ME UP IF U HAVE A AXLEBAK FOR EG/DC. NEED ONE ASAP

[Nachooooosupreme]

my son had a idling prob with his 97 lude. he replaced dizzy, wires, plugs, and o2 sensor and shit was back in race mode lol. idk thats why i asked if you checked your sensors.

[S2kkk89]

hopefully ill b gettn an axlback off ebay this week jus so i can get diag.

[S2kkk89]

bump

[S2kkk89]

got exhaust ready for diag

[S2kkk89]

upup

[familywagon]

Curious on if you figured out your problem yet??

[Dead Bird]

no but rather sure it's a fuel system problem.

[S2kkk89]

still a lil problematic. pulls at about 70% power. feels like its cutting out.

[familywagon]

no but rather sure it's a fuel system problem.

still a lil problematic. pulls at about 70% power. feels like its cutting out.

Dam,this one is taking you guys through the ringer. Was the dizzy ever replaced again? If you think it may be related to ecu, let me know and maybe we could throw mine in real quick?? It's an obd1 p28 with a bench tuned chip btw.. Also have a skunk2 chip at home.. GL otherwise!

[Mr.Burner]

Fixed...

[familywagon]

Nice.. Details??

[Dead Bird]

idk guess it was el fucking dizzy.

[familywagon]

From the few times I had dizzy issues, not once was the problem the same. Them fuckers can really fuck with your mind making you chase a ghost.

Well congradulations!

Oh ya, told ya so! Lol, just playin man! :goodjob:

[Dead Bird]

i wish he would have gotten with you when you offered so this coulda been fixed that long ago.

But they used a Real, actually accurate compression gauge (snap-on, not one from checker) while trying to find the problem, and found out the car has soooooooo much better compression and is a lot healthier than what we thought.
I think he told me all 4 cylinders were over 250psi. With the checker tester, the numbers read like 180 :facepalm:

[S2kkk89]

u forgot a leak down also. motor is sound. jus has junk reman. dizzy. holy wtf. it was so nice to have kyle help me out wit this. and thx err body for the info. also did a fuel pressure test. 38 psi while running. so its not fuel related. redid timing. then told him i had dizzy issues. so we jus switchd em to see, and what do u know i was spinnen all over the place again. it felt like my tongue on debbies well ill leave out the major details. it felt great. RELIEF!

[S2kkk89]

thxz kyle lmfao

[S2kkk89]

Ps. Fuk reman dizzys!!!!!!!!!!

[Dead Bird]

Ps. Fuk reman dizzys!!!!!!!!!!

They probably gave us the one that someone returned earlier that week.
Fuckers.
Autozone FTL.
Checker :thumbsup:

Better axels IMO and dizzies too.

[familywagon]

i wish he would have gotten with you when you offered so this coulda been fixed that long ago.

But they used a Real, actually accurate compression gauge (snap-on, not one from checker) while trying to find the problem, and found out the car has soooooooo much better compression and is a lot healthier than what we thought.
I think he told me all 4 cylinders were over 250psi. With the checker tester, the numbers read like 180 :facepalm:

That's interesting cuz I just did a compression check on my gsr just a few days ago and was about 200-205 across the board and figured I should be higher?? I have a cheap one that you buy from checkers / autozone (i forget) too! Hmmm, now I'm really curious if I may have a true actual that's much higher?

They probably gave us the one that someone returned earlier that week.
Fuckers.
Autozone FTL.
Checker :thumbsup:

Better axels IMO and dizzies too.

Probably got the POS I returned that took me for loop. Lol.. Ya, fiuck Autozones raman dizzys for real!!

[Dead Bird]

IDK depends on how many beaten miles your car has.
I've seen stock GSR's pull 230+ in good condition.
If it's a little older and is possibly leaking from somewhere, 200-205 isn't too bad at all.
If they were all only 5 psi apart, you're fine.

But I would be curious too to find out what my "true" compression would be.
The thing that's weird is the guy that S2kkk89 lives with just built(and blew, twice!) a 11.5+:1 compression k-series.
With the same tester that gave us the reading of 170-190, it only came up on the K at about 200-210 if I remember correctly. According to Joe @ Locash(taken from his site), these are the numbers things equal out to:

8:1~8.5:1 compression: 150-170 psi per cylinder
8.5:1~9.5:1 compression: 170-210 psi per cylinder
9.5:1~11:1 compression: 210-275 psi per cylinder
11:1+ compression: 250+ per cylinder (highly depends on cams being used)

So according to that, the K should have seen well above 275 psi per cylinder, right?
So maybe the gauge can't read that high, or just reads low.

I don't think that's the problem with the one we're using, because when this gsr/b16 frank was built, using the same gauge, it originally read around 230 in all 4(10.5:1 pistons in it). So the gsr bottem end with 10.5's read higher at one point than the 11.5+:1 k-series. Fuck that gauge.

So what I can gather is that the gauge is inconsistently inaccurate and should be thrown away lmao.

[Mr.Burner]

:thumbsup:

[Dead Bird]

come test my single cam!
im curious

[Mr.Burner]

Test for sifilis?

[Dead Bird]

:(

test for whatever disease you gave codey's to put it back on the juice.

[Mr.Burner]

Ha just bring it over...

[Dead Bird]

it won't make it.
no way in hell.

[Mr.Burner]

Wheres it at? or just txt me tomm

[Dead Bird]

dood it's in anthem.
In my garage.
I need to do a bunch of other things before i worry about its compression.
but you know that now.

[mr.lsvtec]

dam i remember wen i had this code
i just got another dizzzy and it went away
but i had to reset the ecu after i put the new dizzy on

[Dead Bird]

We put a remanufactured dizzy on it after the code came up.
Code went away, but car still ran like dick.
Code popped up once in a while.
Just found out the dizzy we got from Autozone was no good even though it was supposed to be good to go.

[Jason.AZ1]

I thought this was a minime swap? it has no bumper gah!

[Dead Bird]

ITR header so the mini-me can flow!

[S2kkk89]

ITR header so the mini-me can flow!


actually its a ITR replica header. real ITR headers r designed a little differently near the collector. lol. now im mickey
:rolleyes:

[Dead Bird]

They're different in a lot of ways.
Not like you have a real jdm mini-me either, right?

http://streetimports.com/auction/header_jdmitr_bk_1.jpg

vs.

http://www.jdmcarboy.com/images/9401AI-gsr-megan-racing.jpg

You be the judge.

[that one guy]

dam dude. I can't believe it took 3 months to figure out that it was just a bad dizzy that was the problem all along..

[Dead Bird]

yes you can.

[S2kkk89]

They're different in a lot of ways.
Not like you have a real jdm mini-me either, right?

http://streetimports.com/auction/header_jdmitr_bk_1.jpg

vs.

http://www.jdmcarboy.com/images/9401AI-gsr-megan-racing.jpg

You be the judge.

see u jus proved me right. the runners go 2 on 2. and on the itr header the runners r offset a lil, making for better ground clearance. its designed differently near the collector jus like i said. other than that they r pretty much the same, even down to the bends...
:-p

[Mr.Burner]

either way there both shit compared to a long tube 4 2 1 design... unless you dont care to make power.

[S2kkk89]

either way there both shit compared to a long tube 4 2 1 design... unless you dont care to make power.



4 sure fool. but the cash for even a blox long tube 4-2-1 is rediculuous.... like might as well jus start a boost project..... unless ur serious all motor build.... and fuk all motor... honda need boost!!

unless ur bisimoto

[xbyedge]

nice

[S2kkk89]

nice


gtfo noob
:bs: