What's your Favorite Engine?

[super_civic]

I know there's a "Whats your favorite car thread?" so I decided to make one a little bit different.

What engine has suprised you the most? Or what motor have you always been impressed by or maybe it's just an engine you've always wanted. Whether you've always thought it was badass in stock form or fully built.
Not just Honda Engines either, can be from any automotive company.



I've always thought Rotaries were pure madness in engine form haha. Even though they have their drawbacks I still think theyre pretty awesome for what they are. So my favorite engine is probably the 13B-REW. Or the Tri-Rotor 20B, and that crazy 4-Rotor Scoot.

[894ws]

302 from ford, and h22 from honda

[The President]

3.2 L Yamaha SHO engine (made for the Taurus SHO). This engine was ahead of it's time for the early 90's IMO. 220bhp is a very downgraded stock form. These things with slight modification could spin all the way up to 9k while still producing power. GO YAMAHA!

[justanother]

d-series .. i know is weak and all but damn.. the last week i manage to get 45mpg by shifting at 1.5k rpm ... was so impress by it...

[crx3]

The Buick V6 3800 NA, supercharged, and turbocharged. More than 25 million were produced in many variations for 46 years. The most famous versions were the turbocharged engines in the Buick Grand National/GNX, and the 1989 Pontiac Trans-Am Turbo. The engine was used RWD in the 60s, 70s, and 80's, but then soldered on as FWD until production stopped in 2008. There are lots of 25 year old Buicks still on the road because of the die-hard Buick V6.

[Colten79]

^^X2 on the Rotary.. 20b can rev to what stock? 9k? 10k? I've always been a fan of high rev
and built the sound is so beautiful, its like god's vagina... :tits:

[The Black Skittle]

the H22, the Chevy LS1, and Dodges line of Hemis. also subarus EJ22 boxer engine

[Atomic-Orange-Turbo-Sloth]

TRX450R (04-05)
http://image.atvrideronline.com/f/8396061+w750+st0/11222003_z+2003_honda_trx450r+engine.jpg

KTM RFS engine (speficically in the XC quads)
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2016/2205884696_c559066d24.jpg?v=0

mainly cuz i have the 2 lol, havent had much experience with honda motors, i like the k24 DOHC motor stock in the newer 240sx's, but the rev out on a sr20 is so nice.

2jzgte
rb family
chevy 350
6.6 liter duramax turbo diesel
2 and 3 rotor mazda's
ej subies
4g63t (lots of love for that motor)
ducati and their desmodromic valves (work of art and PITA)

EDIT: forgot about the new 4b11t, love the design, cant wait to see how tough they are stock with afew years on them!

[cb7 91]

Ill have to say the h22 wish I had one

[whatISvtek?]

gm lsx cause you can make nice power with basicly nothing done to them.

[koby]

302 from ford. and an h22

[SNOAH]

Sr20det
Ej from subie
&
Rb's from nissan
but I also kinda like B series motors

[SquareButtDA9]

RB25, RB26, 2JZ, and H22. I know thats more than one but I love these engines. All of these were built to handle mods for more HP without changing out the internals (with the exception of the H22). 2JZ can handle 450hp on stock internals and tranny, now thats nice!

[BigJsaid]

H22A2
F23A1
D16Z6

i cant pick just one..

[ICD]

2jz is simply the best all around. Honda d and b series. Are amazing. And ask in about 10 years the the k will be somewhat of a legend

[JDMitation]

always wanted that silky sounding Nissan v6


edit: i can't diss my baby like that... haha i like my k-series

[super_civic]

always wanted that silky sounding Nissan v6


edit: i can't diss my baby like that... haha i like my k-series

Nissan sure knows how to make some nice sounding V6's, especially the VG30DET and the VQ35.



Remember people, it's your favorite engine. Not list of top 10 lol.

[HawaiianGSR]

B18c1 first car ever own was a GSR and LS9

[VTECin5th]

I'm going with the B20A5 from 3rd gen preludes. It was like the shitty version of the LS but it beat most VTEC Hondas in a race. Torque, response and cable tranny. Shifts clicked into place, it sounded good for it's time. It had that stupid ass angle under the hood, that's unique. It's terribly hard to find in goooood condition. But, when you do, oh... what a little piece of CHEAP goodness.
We picked one up for $80 once and it was in between an LS and a GSR as far as power went. Throttle Response on a good condition b20a is only rivaled by an h22 in my opinion. Much respect for the h series though, very similar feel to them. I wish I could afford the LudeSpeed b20aVTEC kit back in 2001, I will always wonder.

I hate to agree with the guys up there.. but Nissan DOES make some beautiful sounds, vq35 is wonderful. Even the 25de sounds exciting. They have their major drawbacks but I agree in sound.

[F YouR K]

2JZ________________
RB25_________
H2B ______

because I owen every single one of them lol

[kaioshin93]

jungle thunder d16. i heard it is a boob magnet and revving to 20k will reverse the earth's rotation.
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k274/kaioshin93/ek8.jpg

[super_civic]

jungle thunder d16. i heard it is a boob magnet and revving to 20k will reverse the earth's rotation.
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k274/kaioshin93/ek8.jpg

WTF... Really.

[skar1]

Ford 302
Honda h22, and any hybrid,lsv, b20v, h23v etc.
Nissan rb family

[gunsup0331]

Ka24de sucks massive balls NA. Talk about failure in engineering. But they are stout for boostage

i like Honder motors

[95GSR]

in stock form. C32B NSXR engine all day everyday.

[GTABurnout]

TRX450R (04-05)


Why not the more advanced and more powerful 06+ TRX motors?

gm lsx cause you can make nice power with basicly nothing done to them.

LSX is the way to go.

My LS7 stock form revs to 7K. My camaro had a cam only LS1 that made 400+ and reved to 7k.

Not to mention the 25-30 mpg these things can get on the freeway.

[jakellama123]

2jz and 4g63
2 of the most epic engines ever

[burleigh]

honda d series
other 454 bb

[The God Damn Batman]

D17

[Atomic-Orange-Turbo-Sloth]

Why not the more advanced and more powerful 06+ TRX motors?
because they arent necessarily a better design, in stock form they can overheat easily due to lack of oil cooling, their starting system is flawed unless you get a kick start version, they run a 2 ring piston versus a 3 ring.

and gunsup im sure your opinion was never asked on what I THOUGHT was a good motor, if you dont have anything good to add, then dont add anything at all.

[894ws]

I'm going with the B20A1 from 3rd gen preludes. It was like the shitty version of the LS but it beat most VTEC Hondas in a race. Torque, response and cable tranny. Shifts clicked into place, it sounded good for it's time. It had that stupid ass angle under the hood, that's unique. It's terribly hard to find in goooood condition. But, when you do, oh... what a little piece of CHEAP goodness.
We picked one up for $80 once and it was in between an LS and a GSR as far as power went. Throttle Response on a good condition b20a is only rivaled by an h22 in my opinion. Much respect for the h series though, very similar feel to them. I wish I could afford the LudeSpeed b20aVTEC kit back in 2001, I will always wonder.

I hate to agree with the guys up there.. but Nissan DOES make some beautiful sounds, vq35 is wonderful. Even the 25de sounds exciting. They have their major drawbacks but I agree in sound.

the only problem i see with the b20a1 is that they have an oil issue that makes them burn oil prematurely. the b20a5 is from the 88-89 prelude its almost the the same but without the issues, but indeed it feels torquey :goodjob:

[Method520]

ls7

http://i43.tinypic.com/f099ic.jpg

and the infamous 2jz

http://i41.tinypic.com/33z309c.jpg


onlything i like about honda engines worth posting on a thread about my fav engine, would be for the reliability and convenience when modding them. you can find parts for them anywhere and theyr easily replaceable

i also like the nissan rb motors, and ill give bugatti credit for the amazing w16 engine they managed to fit in a pretty well handling car

[Atomic-Orange-Turbo-Sloth]

ls7

http://i43.tinypic.com/f099ic.jpg

and the infamous 2jz

http://i41.tinypic.com/33z309c.jpg


onlything i like about honda engines worth posting on a thread about my fav engine, would be for the reliability and convenience when modding them. you can find parts for them anywhere and theyr easily replaceable

i also like the nissan rb motors, and ill give bugatti credit for the amazing w16 engine they managed to fit in a pretty well handling car
yeah that w16 is something else, but do you know what stole the record of highest top speed factory car? a shelby (not carrol or his company) mid engine RWD chassis car that used a very built Ls7 thats twin turbocharged.

GOTTA LOVE chevy big block powaaaaaa.

[GTABurnout]

yeah that w16 is something else, but do you know what stole the record of highest top speed factory car? a shelby (not carrol or his company) mid engine RWD chassis car that used a very built Ls7 thats twin turbocharged.

GOTTA LOVE chevy big block powaaaaaa.

LS7 is a small block 427.


because they aren't necessarily a better design, in stock form they can overheat easily due to lack of oil cooling, their starting system is flawed unless you get a kick start version, they run a 2 ring piston versus a 3 ring.

.

Kickers are notorious for killing main bearings, not to mention it was a detuned CRF motor. I had a 04 before my 07. The 04 was more built and it was slow. The 07 is piped and jetted and it runs good.

[PandaBear]

i have always wanted a 2jz with a single turbo

[89sizc]

lsx gm motors.

[Medina]

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a399/molotovman/supercharger4.jpg
L61 ECOTEC

[slowmedown]

this is a great idea for a thread. Ive always loved the toyota JZ series engines for obvious reasons but the LS9 is sick and so is the S65B40 from the new M3

[gunsup0331]

and gunsup im sure your opinion was never asked on what I THOUGHT was a good motor, if you dont have anything good to add, then dont add anything at all.
a) im pretty sure this is a DISCUSSION BOARD
b) im gonna take a wild guess that you assumed my KA comment was directed towards you, perhaps based on animosity from another thread. On the contrary, my decision to critique the KA stemmed from noticing a mention of the 240sx powerplant, perhaps from an uninformed individual who may not know any better. I had no clue or CARE as to who posted it, it just sparked my brain into making further discussion relative to the attributes of an iconic engine.
Notice that i did not condemn the KA as complete shit; rather my comment compared NA vs turbo qualities.
c) you got anything else to say to me individually go head and PM
d) let it go man this is AZHT if you get your panties knotted easily this isnt the place for you
/off topic

Ferrari engine noises make me wet
:lama:

[Atomic-Orange-Turbo-Sloth]

a) im pretty sure this is a DISCUSSION BOARD
b) im gonna take a wild guess that you assumed my KA comment was directed towards you, perhaps based on animosity from another thread. On the contrary, my decision to critique the KA stemmed from noticing a mention of the 240sx powerplant, perhaps from an uninformed individual who may not know any better. I had no clue or CARE as to who posted it, it just sparked my brain into making further discussion relative to the attributes of an iconic engine.
Notice that i did not condemn the KA as complete shit; rather my comment compared NA vs turbo qualities.
c) you got anything else to say to me individually go head and PM
d) let it go man this is AZHT if you get your panties knotted easily this isnt the place for you
/off topic

Ferrari engine noises make me wet
:lama:
last i checked it said favorite engine, if you wanna discuss the problems of the KA24(D)E then maybe you should create the thread "least favorite engines".

and when we build a 04-05 450r motor 14:1, balanced and blueprinted crank, falcon knife edge rod, full kibblewhite valvetrain and baldwin head with a megacycles x2 cam it put down 5 more peak HP and 2 more peak lb's ft. of torque than a similar (almost idential) built 06+ 450r. And the 06's coolant stayed at around 15-20 degrees warmer at all times. Same day same dyno at racers edge in Tucson.

Seen similar results at KMS also. And my bad on the LS7 big block comment, i stand corrected.

[GOTTRQ?]

302 from ford, and h22 from honda

Word!

3.2 L Yamaha SHO engine (made for the Taurus SHO). This engine was ahead of it's time for the early 90's IMO. 220bhp is a very downgraded stock form. These things with slight modification could spin all the way up to 9k while still producing power. GO YAMAHA!

Troof! They are AMAZING engines! There are companies that have gotten those motors to 15k rpm before with stock internals. When they were being developed, one of the tests performed on the the engine was they left it on an engine dyno at 12,000rpm for 24 hours straight. It didn't skip a beat. Performed flawlessly. They're also cool in the sense that they have dual intake runners. At 4,000rpm, they switch from the longer runners to the shorter runners. Feels kind of like vtec does. It's pretty effing cool!

yeah that w16 is something else, but do you know what stole the record of highest top speed factory car? a shelby (not carrol or his company) mid engine RWD chassis car that used a very built Ls7 thats twin turbocharged.

GOTTA LOVE chevy big block powaaaaaa.

The LS7 is a smallblock, brah.




P.S. My favorites are the 302/351 smallblock Fords, and the DOHC 4.6/5.4 modular Ford engines.

The 302/351 is extremely buildable, with MASSIVE aftermarket support.

The Modular Ford motors just make awesome power, and people have made well over 1000hp on stock internals in the 03/04 Cobra 4.6L motors, the GT500 5.4L motors, and the Ford GT 5.4L motors.

[brandon]

1.0 metro 3 cyl

http://pontiacfirefly.com/pics/blueFireflyTurbo_640_480.jpg

[ilovemydseries]

d16y8?? haha jakayyyy guys

[Jason.AZ1]

I've always had good luck with B16's
B16a 9k+ rev's daily no problems!
b16a2 factory beast!

[azjared]

http://www.gomeyer.com/rc-cars-scooters/images/ORC20motor.jpg

[Colten79]

can't beleive i'm the first one to post this....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VFScPznGlo

skeet skeet skeeeeeet F1 baby!

[VTECin5th]

the only problem i see with the b20a1 is that they have an oil issue that makes them burn oil prematurely. the b20a5 is from the 88-89 prelude its almost the the same but without the issues, but indeed it feels torquey :goodjob:

I meant b20a5, not b21. It's been a long time :(
B21 does burn oil, and I've seen it in person.

[Mr.Burner]

383 stroker with a dual stage nitrous kit...

[taketurns]

because they arent necessarily a better design, in stock form they can overheat easily due to lack of oil cooling, their starting system is flawed unless you get a kick start version, they run a 2 ring piston versus a 3 ring.




they are a MUCH better design. ask me how i know.

[CAPTAIN CAAAAAAAVEMAN]

Anything built by bisimoto

[ekhatch]

D seriers FTW the little engine that could :grin:

[super_civic]

Anything built by bisimoto

Truff right here. Bisi is the man.

[Brian Earl Spilner]

I'm going with the B20A5 from 3rd gen preludes. It was like the shitty version of the LS but it beat most VTEC Hondas in a race. Torque, response and cable tranny. Shifts clicked into place, it sounded good for it's time. It had that stupid ass angle under the hood, that's unique. It's terribly hard to find in goooood condition. But, when you do, oh... what a little piece of CHEAP goodness.
We picked one up for $80 once and it was in between an LS and a GSR as far as power went. Throttle Response on a good condition b20a is only rivaled by an h22 in my opinion. Much respect for the h series though, very similar feel to them. I wish I could afford the LudeSpeed b20aVTEC kit back in 2001, I will always wonder.

I hate to agree with the guys up there.. but Nissan DOES make some beautiful sounds, vq35 is wonderful. Even the 25de sounds exciting. They have their major drawbacks but I agree in sound.
i couldnt agree more
the b20a5 was the best honda engine i ever owned.in my 88si lude with aws and 5speed.it would kick lots of ass and never threw me any problems.stomps on d series all day and stock teggys

[Brian Earl Spilner]

D17
i been looking for u.....dom....i owe u a 10 second car

[azjhill]

GM Quad4 from the late 80's early 90's

[Atomic-Orange-Turbo-Sloth]

they are a MUCH better design. ask me how i know.
TRY to explain that to me.

then EXPLAIN why every privateer on a honda runs an 04-05 engine.

and anyone racing anything other than MX with an 06+ runs a radiator with a built in oil cooler.

[taketurns]

TRY to explain that to me.

then EXPLAIN why every privateer on a honda runs an 04-05 engine.

and anyone racing anything other than MX with an 06+ runs a radiator with a built in oil cooler.

sources?

i've raced both bikes up the hill, stock, and both built. the 06+ is definitely faster.

[LadyLockness]

D seriers FTW the little engine that could :grin:


haha fuck yea!

[Atomic-Orange-Turbo-Sloth]

sources?

i've raced both bikes up the hill, stock, and both built. the 06+ is definitely faster.
im talking about in a quad duder lol. Same model year in the CRF was alot different, and obviously didnt have an oil cooler.

[crx3]

GM Quad4 from the late 80's early 90's

Hell yeah, the W41 Quad 4 from 1991 and 1992 made 190 HP from 2.3 liters. These engines did this without VVT/VTEC. GM has yet to make a more powerful NA 4 cylinder engine. The new 2010 2.4 L Ecotec LAF makes 182 HP yet has VVT, direct injection and 11.4 CR.

Unfortunately they weren't the most reliable engines, as head gasket and coil pack failure was not uncommon.

[1point8]

Jdm k20a.

[1point8]

Hell yeah, the W41 Quad 4 from 1991 and 1992 made 190 HP from 2.3 liters. These engines did this without VVT/VTEC. GM has yet to make a more powerful 4 cylinder engine. The new 2010 2.4 L Ecotec LAF makes 182 HP yet has VVT, direct injection and 11.4 CR.

Unfortunately they weren't the most reliable engines, as head gasket and coil pack failure was not uncommon.


That means soooo much.

195 1.8L > 190 2.3L

[crx3]

That means soooo much.

195 1.8L > 190 2.3L

It was a very high output motor for it's time. The Honda 1.8L motor w/o VTEC is 140 HP, or 77.8 HP per liter. The GM 2.3L at 190 HP is 82.6 HP per liter.
190 2.3L > 140 1.8L.
Class over:grin:

[Jason.AZ1]

Damn.................................

[1point8]

It was a very high output motor for it's time. The Honda 1.8L motor w/o VTEC is 140 HP, or 77.8 HP per liter. The GM 2.3L at 190 HP is 82.6 HP per liter.
190 2.3L > 140 1.8L.
Class over:grin:


Not "the" honda 1.8L.
"A" honda 1..8L
If you disable the vtec function of a B18c, it'll still pull a decent bit of power, much more than that of a B18b1. Much higher compression, bigger intake valves, much higher flowing head, and other variables that make it more powerful w/o vtec than an LS or b20.

Fact of the matter is the Type R DOES have vtec, so it makes what it does the way it does the way it is.
As does a b16.

160 1.6L still > 190 >2.3
1989 >>1991

Class back in session?
Or just wanna end it with your gay

[Jason.AZ1]

Lmao!

[ripps520]

2jz-gte

[FlySly]

Not "the" honda 1.8L.
"A" honda 1..8L
If you disable the vtec function of a B18c, it'll still pull a decent bit of power, much more than that of a B18b1. Much higher compression, bigger intake valves, much higher flowing head, and other variables that make it more powerful w/o vtec than an LS or b20.

Fact of the matter is the Type R DOES have vtec, so it makes what it does the way it does the way it is.
As does a b16.

160 1.6L still > 190 >2.3
1989 >>1991

Class back in session?
Or just wanna end it with your gay

LOL

Dunno... thats a tough question...

When i bought my accord and after getting into the Honda scene, i use to have wet dreams about dropping an H22a into it lol. As i did some research, i saved up some moneyz an ordered one from HMO. Pretty damn happy with it.

But i cant get over the fact that my B18a1 in the integra is still running STRONG.... and i'm getting like 35mpg on the damn thing with it having 230k miles on it... That thing is a tank!! and the guy who i bought it from used it for autocross... i mean damn.

Love the H, but i'm amazed by the B18a1....

How come no love for the K's? I thought people were gonna be all over that shit.. lol

[1point8]

LOL

Dunno... thats a tough question...

When i bought my accord and after getting into the Honda scene, i use to have wet dreams about dropping an H22a into it lol. As i did some research, i saved up some moneyz an ordered one from HMO. Pretty damn happy with it.

But i cant get over the fact that my B18a1 in the integra is still running STRONG.... and i'm getting like 35mpg on the damn thing with it having 230k miles on it... That thing is a tank!! and the guy who i bought it from used it for autocross... i mean damn.

Love the H, but i'm amazed by the B18a1....

How come no love for the K's? I thought people were gonna be all over that shit.. lol

I'm not against you at all.
I just used the Type-R as an example in that argument.
I coulda went with .2 more litres and said the JDM K20a rated at 220 hp is waaaaaaaaaay > than 190 2.3L

But I absolutely love LSs and B20s.
My teg is gonna have a Stock b20 with a few, quality bolt ons and I have no doubt it's gonna run a mid-high 14 with decent tires.


PS
I said my fav was the k20a R :)

[crx3]

Not "the" honda 1.8L.
"A" honda 1..8L
If you disable the vtec function of a B18c, it'll still pull a decent bit of power, much more than that of a B18b1. Much higher compression, bigger intake valves, much higher flowing head, and other variables that make it more powerful w/o vtec than an LS or b20.

Fact of the matter is the Type R DOES have vtec, so it makes what it does the way it does the way it is.
As does a b16.

160 1.6L still > 190 >2.3
1989 >>1991

Class back in session?
Or just wanna end it with your gay

So kid, exactly how much power does a B18C make when restricted to the low lift cam lobes? Probably not as much as you think because those big valves, high CR, and exotic head aren't going to come into play until after the VTEC crossover when the motor is on the big lobes.

I'm not going to argue the virtues of the B18C motor vs. the late great Quad 4. I was surprised to see anybody on this forum that even remembered the Quad 4. It made a good amount of power from an iron block, with 10:1 CR, and 80s American technology.

Hell I love the B18C, I've had a 95 GS-R swap in my car since 1996, boosted since 1999.

[Dead Bird]

I'd say probably a good 160.
Lift on the small lobes is still greater than Stock LS lift, or at least close, I think.
So with the other factors he mentioned, I would be surprised to see less than 150

[1point8]

Kid?
:(
Basing opinions strictly off of number of posts one has if wrong.
But I'd do it too if I had a whole 660

[Jason.AZ1]

lol

[1point8]

shhhh




mother fucker i'm gone.
I know what they don't wanna tell you

[crx3]

Typical AZHT drama. Hopefully we can all appreciate not only the favorite engine of one member, but of all members. Since I'm 46, I know I have to be a senior citizen on this forum, so calling somebody kid is not out of the realm of possibility. I wouldn't have cracked on 1point8 except for the GAY comment.

[1point8]

Ahhh well that was just a late night, space taker upper.
hopefully it didn't actually insult you in anyway, shape or form.
if it did, let me know, and i'll edit it.
sowwy.

[crx3]

No problem. :bigsmile:

[FlySly]

awww, this brings a tear to my eye..... Finally, some people know how to put their differences aside lol

Resume:

[1point8]

You brought a tear to my eye!
Using the proper "their"!

[Uless]

Dual point 1.5 sucka! or galo 40

[1point8]

you mean gallo 12 or gallo 24?

[Uless]

No fool gallo 40!I didn't know pizza places made motors!

[taketurns]

im talking about in a quad duder lol. Same model year in the CRF was alot different, and obviously didnt have an oil cooler.


so am i.

[super_civic]

Dang, I was gonna add a Poll to this thread but there are just way too many engines that people would want on it, unless I went by just the companies that make those engines. Oh well.

[PandaBear]

Dang, I was gonna add a Poll to this thread but there are just way too many engines that people would want on it, unless I went by just the companies that make those engines. Oh well.


naw fool make a pool! put b's, h's, k's, d's, 2jz, sbf, sr20, rb26, 20B, ls7, ej25, other

[1point8]

No fool gallo 40!I didn't know pizza places made motors!


Please.
Go watch that movie.
Tell me you think you mean a Gallo 40 again.

[1point8]

Brian O'Connor (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0908094/): So, Dunn, looks like we're gonna be partners, bro. Could you tell me right quick what would be a better motor for my Skyline, a Gallo 12 or a Gallo 24?
Agent Dunn (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1378329/): Um...
[clears throat]
Agent Dunn (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1378329/): 24?
Brian O'Connor (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0908094/): I didn't know pizza places made motors.


http://www.actionmovieclips.com/index.php?option=com_jumi&fileid=3&Itemid=91&p=clips&movid=1341

click on the second to last one.
Pig.


I mean seriously. If this is what you are gonna give my I may as well take my chances in Chino.

[theAngryMarmot]

I got to work on a one of 5 left in the world and one of 3 left in running condition GM 302 small block that was a RD engine developed for the late 60s trans-am racing series. It was a semi-hemispherical head design, with a crossram intake manifold and dual holley four barrels. They called it a "Porcupine" internally. It was mainly developed by the late, great Smokey Yunich. The valve covers were made of magnesium, and were made by Jim Hall (of Chaparral race car fame.) The car it was in was a ex-trans am 68 camaro that had been restored to street specs, and had a four speed mated to the engine. The motor was rated at 600hp.

I will edit this post with pictures when I get home

[crx3]

I got to work on a one of 5 left in the world and one of 3 left in running condition GM 302 small block that was a RD engine developed for the late 60s trans-am racing series. It was a semi-hemispherical head design, with a crossram intake manifold and dual holley four barrels. They called it a "Porcupine" internally. It was mainly developed by the late, great Smokey Yunich. The valve covers were made of magnesium, and were made by Jim Hall (of Chaparral race car fame.) The car it was in was a ex-trans am 68 camaro that had been restored to street specs, and had a four speed mated to the engine. The motor was rated at 600hp.

I will edit this post with pictures when I get home

Did the street Chevy 302 have any of these features? I'm curious because I had a high school buddy who bought a '69 Z-28 with 302 from the original owner, a GM employee. My buddy loved the car but didn't really appreciate the 302 and wanted a bigger engine. I don't think that he realized what he had at the time. He bought the car for $6000 in 1979 with every option except the rear disc brakes. The '69 Z-28 was a Chevy version of the Ford Boss 302, built to qualify the car for the Trans-Am series where the engine was limited to 5 liters.

[Atomic-Orange-Turbo-Sloth]

so am i.
then let me get some popcorn, and a drink, and sit down so YOU can tell me how its better. When my past 6+ years in honda motors, and books, and technical school all come back the same saying the 06+ engine in honda's is a much less reliable design and in stock form does create more power, but mod for mod the 04-05's make more and do it more reliably.

[theAngryMarmot]

Did the street Chevy 302 have any of these features? I'm curious because I had a high school buddy who bought a '69 Z-28 with 302 from the original owner, a GM employee. My buddy loved the car but didn't really appreciate the 302 and wanted a bigger engine. I don't think that he realized what he had at the time. He bought the car for $6000 in 1979 with every option except the rear disc brakes. The '69 Z-28 was a Chevy version of the Ford Boss 302, built to qualify the car for the Trans-Am series where the engine was limited to 5 liters.

Not really.

The Z/28 Engines in 69 were a mean motor anyhows. About the only thing you could do that would be similiar to the "porcupine' engines was go to the counter and request a crossram manifold setup and matching cam.

the "DZ" series engines that were in the Z28s were a solid lifter and rated at 290hp from the factory. You can really tell when they "come onto the cam" when you drive a nice original one as well.

The boss 302, Camaro Z/28, Dodge Challenger T/A, and Plymouth Cuda AAR were all cars built to allow the manufacturers to run them in Trans-Am racing. The dodge/plymouth cars would actually use destroked 340s.

If your friend had a "DZ" motor in the Z28, he would not have wanted to change it out ;)

A "Setup" DZ series 302 with a crossram, matching cam, etc will make way more than the 290hp, at a higher RPM. I have seen NA DZ crossram setups with high comp pistons easily make 400+ hp.

[91CTR]

I've always had good luck with B16's
B16a 9k+ rev's daily no problems!
b16a2 factory beast!

word son but botta love spoon motors tooo!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Medina]

Please.
Go watch that movie.
Tell me you think you mean a Gallo 40 again.

we all know a gallo 40 is almost 2 times the displacement than a gallo 24 so gallo 40 FTW! :poke:

[Crazy88]

D15Z1 - I doubt anyone else would say that, but I dig the technology Honda put into the VX (roller rocker arms, lightened flywheel, 5-wire O2, etc.). Not only is it crazy efficient, but, with non-abusive driving they are about as eternal as any engine I've seen. Getting 300,000 miles + out of an engine that gets around 50 MPG gives my cheapskate side a woody.

4G63, Subaru boxers, SVT supercharged 5.4, 2JZ, B18C5, even a good old Chevy 350 are all cool in their own way.

[Mr.Burner]

For import, i'd have to say the Mugen MF-301HD/HE engine, over 770 hp, 15,000 redline, 3,000cc V10


http://i769.photobucket.com/albums/xx340/Mr_Burner/mugenv10.jpg

Or there v8....

http://i769.photobucket.com/albums/xx340/Mr_Burner/mugenv8.jpg

[97_teggy]

B18C1 All The Way!!!!

[Dead Bird]

we all know a gallo 40 is almost 2 times the displacement than a gallo 24 so gallo 40 FTW! :poke:

Don't be silly!

[r1ce]

the JZ series from Toyota, i have first hand experience, I have had both 2JZgte and 1JZ both are epic for performance
The Toyota 22-R shits runs for ever, along with the 4ac motor for reliably
Any Toyota motor lol.
I seen the Ford v10 series motors go to hell and come back they get a thumps up from me.
and Porsche Motors out of the 951's were ahead of its time, like the car its self.

[SED]

For import, i'd have to say the Mugen MF-301HD/HE engine, over 770 hp, 15,000 redline, 3,000cc V10


http://i769.photobucket.com/albums/xx340/Mr_Burner/mugenv10.jpg

Or there v8....

http://i769.photobucket.com/albums/xx340/Mr_Burner/mugenv8.jpg

too bad they didn't come out with this bad boy....... not much of the old folks car like i've heared ppl say.

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t120/joseluis1181/11562569a2661823318b216430916l.jpg
http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t120/joseluis1181/1.jpg

[Integra91]

K series

[taketurns]

then let me get some popcorn, and a drink, and sit down so YOU can tell me how its better. When my past 6+ years in honda motors, and books, and technical school all come back the same saying the 06+ engine in honda's is a much less reliable design and in stock form does create more power, but mod for mod the 04-05's make more and do it more reliably.


i went to mmi, if thats what youre trying to call "technical school". that school didnt teach ME shit. i already knew everything they taught there, with the exception of some manufacturer specific stuff.


my uncle owns a "shop" who builds drags bikes (banshees, 4 strokes etc), and i've seen and ridden both bikes stock, and both bikes fully built. i have personally witnessed a fully built 04(meaning a stage 3 hotcam, 12:1 piston, ported head, a 3mm crank on torco 110) get beat, over and over up the hill by a 06 trx450, with only a cam, a full yosh pipe and an air filter/airbox removed on 91 octane. i know both of the owners personally, as well as the builder of the 04. the 04 had 3 different riders race it against the 06, and still got beat, everytime. one of the riders was about 60lbs less and was about a half a bike back.

neither bike has ever had a reliability problem. as for oil temps or oil cooling, who gives a fuck, these arent endurance bikes.

[gunsup0331]

i went to mmi, if thats what youre trying to call "technical school". that school didnt teach ME shit. i already knew everything they taught there, with the exception of some manufacturer specific stuff.

out of curiousity...did you graduate?

[AZ Auto Werks]

vr6

[PENTAGRAM_OF_EVIL]

I'm going to have to keep it honda. I love my f20b. Why. Well it is a bad engine honda build to race, they needed a ff vtec and it just hapen to go in an accord. I love it. And its not the comen h22 in a cd6.

And of cours. The 454.

[jdmegmarcus]

kseries

[Atomic-Orange-Turbo-Sloth]

out of curiousity...did you graduate?
doesnt seem like he did.

and your calling 12:1 fully built? you really need to re-evaluate what you know, my desert 450R which ran for 2 years before i rebuilt it had a 14:1, some companies even make 15:1 compression pistons.

and no, a camm'ed piped 06 will not beat a "lightly" built 04-05. I can put money on it, and i have plenty of helmet cam videos of me taking fully built 06's off the line at mx and desert races with my 14:1 stage2 cammed 04 with some other supporting mods.

i went to that school you speak bad of, MMI, you must not have graduated or put much into it, because you get out of it what you put in, and eventho i knew alot going in i knew 10x as much leaving.

i did hontech and yamapro and graduated both with acheivements last summer.

[taketurns]

doesnt seem like he did.

and your calling 12:1 fully built? you really need to re-evaluate what you know, my desert 450R which ran for 2 years before i rebuilt it had a 14:1, some companies even make 15:1 compression pistons.

and no, a camm'ed piped 06 will not beat a "lightly" built 04-05. I can put money on it, and i have plenty of helmet cam videos of me taking fully built 06's off the line at mx and desert races with my 14:1 stage2 cammed 04 with some other supporting mods.

i went to that school you speak bad of, MMI, you must not have graduated or put much into it, because you get out of it what you put in, and eventho i knew alot going in i knew 10x as much leaving.

i did hontech and yamapro and graduated both with acheivements last summer.


cool story bro.


i'm glad YOU learned something useful.

[RLONFLUID]

I hate dodge...but the cummins power plant that they put in them is the best of any motor out there.Tons of H.P/torque
Can easily get 500,000 mile out of it.

[Jdm as whatt?]

d17 bruh!

[azsigndog]

d series with a turbo

[Atomic-Orange-Turbo-Sloth]

cool story bro.


i'm glad YOU learned something useful.
youve still yet to prove to me how a 06+ motor is better, u gave one example, i can give many, including why honda stopped using the 450r and switched to the PIG 700xx for the baja. Or why joe byrd's quads are all 04-05's now that honda dropped all ATV sponsorship.

[taketurns]

youve still yet to prove to me how a 06+ motor is better, u gave one example, i can give many, including why honda stopped using the 450r and switched to the PIG 700xx for the baja. Or why joe byrd's quads are all 04-05's now that honda dropped all ATV sponsorship.


because r&d doesnt go backwards, except when it took honda 10 years to get its aluminum frame right.

you really think honda would sit back and say, "hmm, lets design a motor with a head that flows poorly when compared to the previous design, along with a shitty piston design and lets just really fuck this one up for the books."



you're obviously more involved in desert atv's than i, as i dont give a fuck about desert racing quads. i think desert racing is lame, and if done, should be done on two wheels. the word "endurance" shouldnt be used to described riding a couch on four wheels for a certain number of miles.


either way, to each his own. if youre into drag racing quads (which is the only time i care for them, unless im sitting at the hill looking at titties drinking a beer), you should come out to the sand drags at e.t. some time. most of our bikes are 2 stroke, but we do have a few low 5 second 4 strokes with six pack racks.

[super_civic]

youve still yet to prove to me how a 06+ motor is better, u gave one example, i can give many, including why honda stopped using the 450r and switched to the PIG 700xx for the baja. Or why joe byrd's quads are all 04-05's now that honda dropped all ATV sponsorship.

because r&d doesnt go backwards, except when it took honda 10 years to get its aluminum frame right.

you really think honda would sit back and say, "hmm, lets design a motor with a head that flows poorly when compared to the previous design, along with a shitty piston design and lets just really fuck this one up for the books."



you're obviously more involved in desert atv's than i, as i dont give a fuck about desert racing quads. i think desert racing is lame, and if done, should be done on two wheels. the word "endurance" shouldnt be used to described riding a couch on four wheels for a certain number of miles.


either way, to each his own. if youre into drag racing quads (which is the only time i care for them, unless im sitting at the hill looking at titties drinking a beer), you should come out to the sand drags at e.t. some time. most of our bikes are 2 stroke, but we do have a few low 5 second 4 strokes with six pack racks.


Cant you guys just take that shit to PM's nobody gives a fuck about those engines lol:roll: jk
But for real, just take it to PM's PREEZE.

[Atomic-Orange-Turbo-Sloth]

because r&d doesnt go backwards, except when it took honda 10 years to get its aluminum frame right.

you really think honda would sit back and say, "hmm, lets design a motor with a head that flows poorly when compared to the previous design, along with a shitty piston design and lets just really fuck this one up for the books."



you're obviously more involved in desert atv's than i, as i dont give a fuck about desert racing quads. i think desert racing is lame, and if done, should be done on two wheels. the word "endurance" shouldnt be used to described riding a couch on four wheels for a certain number of miles.


either way, to each his own. if youre into drag racing quads (which is the only time i care for them, unless im sitting at the hill looking at titties drinking a beer), you should come out to the sand drags at e.t. some time. most of our bikes are 2 stroke, but we do have a few low 5 second 4 strokes with six pack racks.
maybe 2 strokes are your thing then. I know PLENTY of 04-05's that beat just about any 06, most of them reside at Racers Edge in Tucson. Afew KMS built also, if they actually remember to tighten down everything.

Anyways we shouldnt keep doin this in the thread.

Ill stay my ass out now LOL

[Dead Bird]

maybe 2 strokes are your thing then. I know PLENTY of 04-05's that beat just about any 06, most of them reside at Racers Edge in Tucson. Afew KMS built also, if they actually remember to tighten down everything.

Anyways we shouldnt keep doin this in the thread.

Ill stay my ass out now LOL

Isn't the Racers' Edge in California?
I'm pretty sure Brian was just hired there when Dom just fired him after Vince found out Brian can box.

[BDEG]

B16a2 Great motor

[894ws]

3 horse briggs&stratton

[1320civic]

anything that runs 90% nitromethane..