Turbo SOHC?

[MichaelKnight]

My syncro in my tranny is acting up, so I need to swap out the tranny. Here are my options

I can pick up a tranny for $150 and install a Turbo on my SOHC D16 Vtec. ($300 used)

I can do a tranny+motor swap B16 w/no turbo ($1,000+)

Money is the main factor here. The B16 swap will cost me some $$, when I could just fix my tranny, and have extra money for a turbo kit.

Not sure what you guys think about turbos on SOHC's, and a friend of mine said I would be fucking with the boost and tuning it 3 days a week pretty much.

Not sure what type of improvement the turbo would make on a SOHC. Would I keep up with a straight B16?

[EK|B]

Turbo will be funnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn.

[Chinky]

boost the single cam... better

[auex]

D-series tranies are cheap. Get a used one and take a couple hours to throw it in yourself.

Not sure what you guys think about turbos on SOHC's, and a friend of mine said I would be fucking with the boost and tuning it 3 days a week pretty much.

That will probably happen with whatever motor you boost. Just get it tuned, professionally, and leave it be.

[Chinky]

That will probably happen with whatever motor you boost. Just get it tuned, professionally, and leave it be.

x2

plus single cam stuff is waaaaaaaaaaaaaay cheaper. if u r not used to fast cars u may go through some shit. trannies are friggin cheap as fuck!

[projectaccord]

boost it man. gotta love the sound of a bov.......

[Neebs]

I'd say b16 swap and boost later.

[Daddy_Digital]

B16+turbo= MORE POWER!! the choice is simple

[Neebs]

You can still have fun with the b16.

[1 quick civic]

id rock the sohc turbo. but id definetly tune it rather then running fmu.

[projectaccord]

ive heard a boosted single cam matches up to a n/a b16, but i dont know from experience. boosting your motor will probably be cheaper, but ive been told id be happier with a b series.

[ef9sleeper]

Sohc's are moderatly cheap, they provide good horsepower and torque, and when built correctly are more reliable than b-series.

[Chinky]

B16+turbo= MORE POWER!! the choice is simple
it doesn't mean anything if it makes more hp. take into consideration the difference in weight between motors, and how much less the single cam shit cost. single cam ftw

boosted single cam > boosted b16
ive heard a boosted single cam matches up to a n/a b16, but i dont know from experience. boosting your motor will probably be cheaper, but ive been told id be happier with a b series.
right, a b16 would no where even near come to a boosted single cam.

dood boosted single is good, strong and fun. cheap to put together and cheap to fix if it breaks. my vote is single cam turbo. + u can always find parts because people are always gettin rid of single cam shit.

single cam tranny u can find fot 100 bux, now that's a lot cheaper than 400, 500 bux for a b16 tranny.

[Tage]

Boosted SOHC will make more power and a lot more torque than a NA B16. Get it tuned by Locash and call it a day.

D-series short blocks and heads are dirt cheap too so operating costs are a plus when things break.

I gained nearly 100 lbs when I went from my D16Z6 motor to my 2.0L B/VTEC. Since it's an autox and road race only car I definitely notice the weight since it's all on the front of the car. If I didn't have the swap just sitting in my garage I wouldn't have put it in my EG.

BTW, I wouldn't do either option. I would get your existing tranny fixed. It might initally cost a little more than picking up another used tranny but you'll still have a "used" tranny which could start grinding as well in just a couple thousand more miles.

PM me if you want me to rebuild your tranny.

[dpc9000]

If it was me, used tranny w/ turbo, without a doubt.
I've been driving turbo cars for a while (the Swedish types) - there nothing like a good amount of torque tuggin' your ass around.
If the tranny breaks again, big deal... change it out. It may or may not fail - it depends competely on how you treat it.

This post is startin' to make me think about a new direction I'd like to take my little HX.

[MichaelKnight]

Thats what I wanted to hear. Especially the part about SOHC parts, tranny, block are cheaper if I screw something up.

The tranny R&R is no prob, but rebuilding my existing? How much of a pain is this and how much would you charge. I mean pulling one out and putting a new/used one in seems cheaper and easier.

Also about the SOHC Turbo being pretty fast. I don't need to run 10 sec, but 13-14 would be cool enough for me. I would have it tuned after install. ADS on Kyrene & Chandler Blvd would be my first choice.

More feedback appreciated.

[Chinky]

Thats what I wanted to hear. Especially the part about SOHC parts, tranny, block are cheaper if I screw something up.

The tranny R&R is no prob, but rebuilding my existing? How much of a pain is this and how much would you charge. I mean pulling one out and putting a new/used one in seems cheaper and easier.

Also about the SOHC Turbo being pretty fast. I don't need to run 10 sec, but 13-14 would be cool enough for me. I would have it tuned after install. ADS on Kyrene & Chandler Blvd would be my first choice.

More feedback appreciated.

tune at locash

my boy has a bone stock single cam in a eg coupe that i'm am almost positive will run high 12's

dood single cam turbo is the way to go unless u have enough money and experience to rumblw with the bug boys. GL

look for my 350whp + single cam turbo project coming out soon :0

[RhdRicheeee]

:type:

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[MichaelKnight]

=chinkyeyedemcee;378597]tune at locash
my boy has a bone stock single cam in a eg coupe that i'm am almost positive will run high 12's

Noted.

Where is locash? Got a link or somethin?

[INTEGRA DC2]

Sohc All The Way!!

[INTEGRA DC2]

What kind of turbo You going to run with the SOHC??

[Chinky]

Noted.

Where is locash? Got a link or somethin?

vendors section. some where in phoenix idk where exactly.

[MichaelKnight]

What kind of turbo You going to run with the SOHC??

I was going to bid on this one off ebay. Comments please people!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/d16-d15-Honda-turbo-kit_W0QQitemZ110115422617QQihZ001QQcategoryZ33742Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[Type - O]

man wears simon. go turbo dude. i was going to turbo my d16z6...til i sold out and went B series. SOHC FTW!

[Type - O]

DEAR GOD STAY AWAY FROM EGAY! nothing good comes from there

[MichaelKnight]

Everywhere else, its a G for Turbo. Been lookin in the classifieds too.

[GNU]

a turbo d16y8 done correctly will eat n/a gsr's all day long. I think you should find a nice cast log mani, small t3 turbo, 450's, chipped ecu, 2.5-3" exhaust and downpipe. I think you could expect to see 180-220whp depending on boost, the turbo you choose, tuning

[Type - O]

i have a turbo off of a volvo. good for about 10 psi i think

[Stealthy]

Either way could be fun

[EG-HATCH]

go with the SOHC all the way im working on getting 300+ hp with my SOHC. i have a fully built head just waiting on the chipped ecu and injectors. then ill be going for turbo and building the block!

[Chinky]

go with the SOHC all the way im working on getting 300+ hp with my SOHC. i have a fully built head just waiting on the chipped ecu and injectors. then ill be going for turbo and building the block!

300+ out of single cam takes a lot of shit. GL with that build dood. :thumbup:

[Kutsuju Racing Pres]

SOHC hands down! I was beating B16 swapped cars when my sohc vtec was all motor.

If your on a budget now and gonna be on a budget later...SOHC no doubt. If your gonna have cash later by all means go Boosted Dohc. but if it's gonna be all motor don't even waste your time. I ran 13.6 on 8 psi on boosted stock block single cam w/ 154 hp.

see sig for the rest...and this summer I'm putting in vitara's and going for 400+ good luck man here's some inspiration for you!

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/513cb758-b988-485b-99ed-990d00ccfea1.htm

[MichaelKnight]

SOHC hands down! I was beating B16 swapped cars when my sohc vtec was all motor.

If your on a budget now and gonna be on a budget later...SOHC no doubt. If your gonna have cash later by all means go Boosted Dohc. but if it's gonna be all motor don't even waste your time. I ran 13.6 on 8 psi on boosted stock block single cam w/ 154 hp.

see sig for the rest...and this summer I'm putting in vitara's and going for 400+ good luck man here's some inspiration for you!

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/513cb758-b988-485b-99ed-990d00ccfea1.htm


That car is sick. Gets me all emotional and shit. :cry:

Type - O i have a turbo off of a volvo. good for about 10 psi i think

How much?, and anyone else got any feedback on the Volvo Turbo?:poke:
I guess I could ask in the "Forced Induction" Forum, but I am getting some good feedback in this thread.

[MichaelKnight]

Can anyone make sense of this for me. I feel like such a Todd in the forced induction forums. Break it down for me in brail please.

engine management

tuning

injectors
-Auto DSM 390cc

manifold

fuel pump
-walbro 255 hp $100 *500+whp*

wastegate
-tial 38mm
-tial 44mm
-tial 60mm

oil fittings, feed & return lines

vacumm fittings and lines

blow off valve
-dsm bov $20-$60 *no whp limit*
-tial 50mm bov $280-$350 *no whp limit*
-AutoZone Bosch BOV $35 *no whp limit*

turbo
-evo8 td06hr $280-$400 *365-400whp*
-T25 (sr20) $100-$350 *150-230whp*
-T28 (sr20/rb25/rb26) $100-$400 *170-260whp*

intercooler

charge pipes

downpipe

[Type - O]

what do you need de-coded?

[Chinky]

what do you need de-coded?

yea it's a list of shit u need

[Type - O]

well thats obvious. was that all? or do you need to know what each thing does?

[Chinky]

well thats obvious. was that all? or do you need to know what each thing does?

don't back talk me boy :whip:

lol jk i just wanted to use the whip smiley. haven't seen it used... till now

[Kutsuju Racing Pres]

I think he's wondering which ones to get...what are your overall goals?

you can also go to www.d-series.org

and they have a Great FAQ section in the forced induction area! you can read for days and learn all you want!

[MichaelKnight]

I think he's wondering which ones to get...what are your overall goals?

you can also go to www.d-series.org

and they have a Great FAQ section in the forced induction area! you can read for days and learn all you want!

Thanks for the link, I will check it out.

As for the list, I want to understand what each part is responsible for. Also an opinion on the brands listed below each part. Especially in relation to my D series.

Just highlight the list and in brackets list what the part does or is responsible for, so I can better understand the function of a turbo system. All I know is that a turbo forces more air into the intake, but is a new ecu neccesary, why? fuel to air ratio?

[MichaelKnight]

I think he's wondering which ones to get...what are your overall goals?

you can also go to www.d-series.org

and they have a Great FAQ section in the forced induction area! you can read for days and learn all you want!


The baddest place for D series guys. Awsome. Same format as AZHT too. I found a home!

[dodnator]

d16z6... 451 hp and 371 lbs of torque at the wheels, 26 psi of boost! blew trannys about everyother run though no if ands or buts D-series trannies are weak..

[dodnator]

d16z6... 451 hp and 371 lbs of torque at the wheels, 26 psi of boost!

[MichaelKnight]

way too much boost bro! You get the turbo off a Semi?

[sohcisme]

Yeah buy a Ex tranny and built your own turbo kit. You can get like 220WHP with a stock block. If your going to do a swap dont buy a B16 they have almost the same amount of torque as a single cam. Check out TURBOD16.com and you will learn everything you need to know. I used to hate and talk shit about single cams till my Lsvtec got stolen and now im almost done with a 300+ to the wheels D16 build. I built my hole build for the price of a gsr swap with a decent I,H,E, and its going to be twice the power.
SOHC FTW!!!

[allmotorgsr]

Turbo D Ftw!

[Ilovemyhonda]

sohc boost for the win..... my buddy was 450hp on a single cam with internals no head work.

[sn_halo]

homemadeturbo.com is way better then d-series.org. alot more shit.
get a sohc turbo u will smoke ur regular b16s all day.

[projectaccord]

im actually thinking about going this route now. i have a guy who offered to trade me a clean ef hatch with a boosted mini me swap in it for my ek coupe. im thinking about doing it because he said i could keep all the aftermarket stuff from my car and give it to him stock. i was hoping for an eg hatch, but the car is really clean.

[sn_halo]

keep ur ek and make it a sleeper with turbo.

[projectaccord]

no money man. and im sick of this car. ive had it for ten months without a title and want something new. and its gonna be expensive on insurance lol.

[sn_halo]

how much u want to sell it for if u do and y no title?

[projectaccord]

i have it posted for 4k which is a really good price. and the guy i bought it from siad he would have me the title in two days, but ended up making me do all the paperwork. but it should be here in three weeks. i really want a hatch

[projectaccord]

http://www.azht.net/forum/showthread.php?t=30114

theres the link to the thread...

[hawaii_DA6]

Ive never had a Turboed Single cam before. and everyday I want to do it. if you do, just uncap it from the 2 foot piece of downpipe. Its what all the cool kids do.

[sn_halo]

Ive never had a Turboed Single cam before. and everyday I want to do it. if you do, just uncap it from the 2 foot piece of downpipe. Its what all the cool kids do.
what you mean uncap it from the 2 foot piece of downpipe?

[hawaii_DA6]

i mean to run it uncapped from the downpipe.

*Sarcasm*

[MichaelKnight]

Turbo D Ftw!

X2!!!!!!!!!!! The day of reckoning is near!!!!

[projectaccord]

good decision man :)

[hector200]

what do you use the car for is it your dd cause if that is the case i would not turbo just cause it is less reliable, swap is the way to go imo i am gonna do a H22 swap in my ek

[sohcisme]

If its built right and TUNED good then it will be reliable. Anything can last if you dont beat on it from stop light to stop light everyday.

[hector200]

a stock swap will always be more reliable than a turbo'd motor

[sohcisme]

Sure a bone stock motor will be reliable but it will also be slow, unless its a k-series. For the money to horsepower ratio a turbo single cam will always be the best hands down. Like everyone said, the parts are super cheap and it has a lot of potential.

[Shiznit]

a stock swap will always be more reliable than a turbo'd motor
sure but wheres the fun in that

[MichaelKnight]

what do you use the car for is it your dd cause if that is the case i would not turbo just cause it is less reliable, swap is the way to go imo i am gonna do a H22 swap in my ek

It is my DD for now, but that won't stop me, I WANT my DD to be bad ass. I got smoked by a fricken Nissan Sentra that was boosted this morn. That sh-t can't happen, I mean, I have a reputation to uphold. :blunt:

[GNU]

`just for some insight you guys there was a stock d16z6 with a nice topmount paired with a gt30r that was making a right around 300whp stock everything just with good tuning and gas on honda-tech awaile back it was some shop car but it was pretty sick. You can have a built d16 for so cheap get vitaras then add rods of your choice, new bearings, new gaskets, set clearances and waa laa your ready for anything up to around 400whp~+

[sohcisme]

It couldnt have had stock rods in it? I dont care if jeff evans himself tuned it. Stock rods in single cams are the weakest part and dont last past 220 whp. It would be true with a built block and stock head,but not with stock pistons and rods. If it is true the motor didnt last a week. gauranteed

[boosted93]

My first post will go out to boosted single love!! you can easyly get 250 hp with a stock block single (need arp head studs or your head will lift after about 200hp) the weakest part to these motors are the rods but they will go over 250hp (seen dynos of 300hp STOCK RODS) ive seen many dd single cam turbo at 250hp and have had two boosted singles my self.. imo the perfect turbo for a stock block single would be a 50 trim..tuning is the key on keep everything together and being reliable..also if you decided you want more hp you can always do a vitara piston-eagle rods combo ive seen them push out 400hp and run 11s (all for under $1500 to build the block cheaper if you do your own work) gl man

[boosted93]

`just for some insight you guys there was a stock d16z6 with a nice topmount paired with a gt30r that was making a right around 300whp stock everything just with good tuning and gas on honda-tech awaile back it was some shop car but it was pretty sick. You can have a built d16 for so cheap get vitaras then add rods of your choice, new bearings, new gaskets, set clearances and waa laa your ready for anything up to around 400whp~+
haha i read your post after i wrote mine :clap:

[molinajl]

I'll give you my experience 1995 Del Sol, had a 130000 mile motor on D16z6. Ebay turbo, dynoed in at 252hp, 200 torque. Stock internals. felt like the car had a shot of adrenaline. Just like Jason Stratam coming out of the elevator in the movie Crank. Anyway one night I was bored, decided to drive my car like it was stolen, must have redlined it like 20 times within a 5 min. period. Rods broke, and shot out through the block. Getting another zc motor with pistons and rods. I can tell you one thing though, it smoked the hell out of my friends 99 civic si w/ B16, headers, intake, exhaust, and lightweight wheels.

[boosted93]

I'll give you my experience 1995 Del Sol, had a 130000 mile motor on D16z6. Ebay turbo, dynoed in at 252hp, 200 torque. Stock internals..
i also ran an 57 trim ebay turbo on my last setup on 14 psi and that thing pulled like a mofo! never dynoed or ran at the track (3 hours away from one) ebay turbos aint bad if you run an oil restricter from the start
check out this 10 second single cam vitara piston setup http://honda-tech.com/zerothread/2035990

[BigBlockCrx]

Turbo B > Turbo D

[BigBlockCrx]

and Turbo H > Turbo D

[molinajl]

i also ran an 57 trim ebay turbo on my last setup on 14 psi and that thing pulled like a mofo! never dynoed or ran at the track (3 hours away from one) ebay turbos aint bad if you run an oil restricter from the start
check out this 10 second single cam vitara piston setup http://honda-tech.com/zerothread/2035990


Check out www.d-series.org. Lots of cars running D series motors putting out major power. With just a turbo setup and a few other mods, its a good little engine.

[Mop]

what are the mpg on these turbo sohc builds.

[allmotorgsr]

Turbo B > Turbo D

agreed, im a b series man myself,
but were just talkin about cheap, decent, horsepower.

in which case d series > b series

:blunt:

[boosted93]

what are the mpg on these turbo sohc builds.
never paid attention so it isnt to bad...i think i got better gas milage with my both of my boosted single than my bolt on parts h22..and yeah for cheap reliable hp you cant beat a single good bang for the buck... plus i like my motors like i like my girls d's over b's:wave1:

[MichaelKnight]

Yes sir, I am all about the inexpensive HP

And because of the expense of even a D series Turbo, and my impatience, I am thinking I am just going to buy some Nos for now.
Can't stand losing. Then buy my Turbo kit piece by piece.

Hate all you want, but some of us have kids and some of us are kids

[sn_halo]

It is my DD for now, but that won't stop me, I WANT my DD to be bad ass. I got smoked by a fricken Nissan Sentra that was boosted this morn. That sh-t can't happen, I mean, I have a reputation to uphold. :blunt:my boosted sohc on 7lbs and really rich tune smoked a sentra with 8lbs of boost :P

[babypacman52]

I Have a D16z6 in my Si and i stomp b16s all day with no turbo so what i would do is Put the Turbo on the SOHC Go to Lo cash tune, it will last you about 2-5 months just save up in those 2-5 months and Build a Sohc block (Cheaper then B and Easier then B) and then put the block on built head and u might beable to make Records with the Sohc EVERYONE wants a B no one really wants D. Think about it what would be more impressive? a SOHC Vtec only Spent 8k fully built running 11's or a 5k motor plus 10k to built DOHC vtec running 10's? So i think CHEAPEST way Would be SOHC BUT...Better Motor would ofcourse be DOHC...Vtec just is a better thing in the DOHC World...

[MichaelKnight]

In a perfect world.....

[Andyp]

I say go with the turbo on the D.... check out turbod16.com if you haven't already.

[trujdm]

It depends on the tune and the quality of parts you use as far as the turbo D goes, which will determine how reliable it is. I have 2 projects going, 96 del Sol with a non VTEC Y7 turbo and a 91 CRX Si with a B16A. I've spent the past 2 years or so building and researching the turbo D. With an internally bone stock Y7 SOHC and a .42/.48 turbo (small T3) I made 181whp/175wtq on 7.5psi. I just recently picked up the CRX and it will be up and running shortly. I will be lucky to make 150whp/115wtq(fingers crossed) with the B16. 60wtq is a huge difference but the application of the power is a big factor though. The B series tranny gear ratios blow the D out of the water. The Z6/Y8 D series tranny just can't compare to a B series. It just sucks that there are basically no good solid options as far as a D tranny goes. As far as weight difference between a turbo D and a B swap goes, all the turbo parts add up. The turbo/manifold/wastegate/downpipe combo isn't light. Then add the intercooler and charge pipes, etc.. In the end it probably doesn't weigh as much as a B swap but it's creeping up to it. All in all, the turbo D will almost certainly make more horsepower than an N/A B series and will absolutely make a lot more torque, which makes for a fun daily driver. If you are looking for more info on the SOHC turbo train: turbod16.com ftw

[The Guido]

http://turbod16.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=38701