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I Hate Import Cars
06-11-2007, 08:54 PM
Okay boys, I need some fuckin help here...I just put a B16 into my EG and everything was going okay til about week 3. well let me put it this way; I put VERY hard rings in it for a particular reason, so I KNEW that it would take a while to seat them, and so the burning oil for the past 3 weeks (up to 6 quarts now) has rolled off my back without TOO much concearn. The back of the car has a lot of oil on it, but again, I figured it was just rings not seating all the way yet.

Then today on my way home from work, I look down in my mirror and see PLUMES of smoke out of the back of the car. I still have good oil pressure (80 psi) and coolant temp, but I wanna see what the fuck is going on. The back of the car now has WET oil ALL OVER IT. Suddeny it all clicks; oil EVERYWHERE, not just around the muffler. And WET. This fucker is LEAKING that much oil. I pop the hood and start looking all around, then I see it. A SOLID half quart of oil on and arould the VSS. Then I see that it's not from the tranny, but that everything from the bottom of the intake manifold down is oil soaked. Oil filter is tight, oil press guage port is tight. Charcoal canister has a fair amount around it. The "burning" I have been witness to is explained by seeing TONS of oil on my header collector. WHERE THE FUCK COULD THIS BE FROM?! As a side note, the charcoal canister is installed into the block, but the tubes into the top are not there. The intake side of them is just plugged off so as not to leak vacuum. I checked the oil level, filled the half quart it semed to have been low, and then started it. As I watched the area covered in oil, i revved it as high as the ecu would allow, (5000 rpm rev limiter when not moving, for launches. Thanks Joe :) ) and saw NOTHING coming out. I mean NOT A DROP. When I left work, I was in a hurry and revved to about 8000, (aka in VTEC). So it makes me wonder if that has something to do with it...oh, and the vtec solenoid is clean. Let me make this clear; judging by that, and the amount of oil on and around there, this thing is happening AT TIMES, but not ALL THE TIME, and when it does happen, it is POURING out! I'm fucking lost...I've never been so discouraged by a fucking motor I've worked with before in all my life. this makes me regret ever getting away from old school V-8 power and into this 4 cylinder business. PLEASE help restore my faith...

Sparkles
06-12-2007, 01:40 AM
I don't understand HARD rings? Not OEM rings? Why?-boost?

Anyway, I don't know but maybe its a crank case venting issue? The oil is being forced out somewhere? I think you should find for sure where the oil is coming from and go from there. You can also do a leakdown test to see if the oil indeed is coming past the rings or somewhere else.

This is gonna sound dumb but lets get the obvious shit out of the way...could it be that you keep pouring on 4qts of oil on top of a full pan of oil? That would make it leak and smoke.

I Hate Import Cars
06-12-2007, 10:02 AM
I don't understand HARD rings? Not OEM rings? Why?-boost?

Anyway, I don't know but maybe its a crank case venting issue? The oil is being forced out somewhere? I think you should find for sure where the oil is coming from and go from there. You can also do a leakdown test to see if the oil indeed is coming past the rings or somewhere else.

This is gonna sound dumb but lets get the obvious shit out of the way...could it be that you keep pouring on 4qts of oil on top of a full pan of oil? That would make it leak and smoke.

Thank for the tip. And I'd usually get bent about a comment like that, but I'm stuck here...NO. It is not because it's already full of oil. It's not coming out of the exhaust. It's leaking out of the back of the motor. And don't you worry your pretty little head about why I put those rings in it. ;) Just understand that there are reasons behind it. The charcoal canister is there, but it's not hooked up on the top. I thought this would not be a BIG issue, since I was under the impression and understanding that OIL did not pass through the charcoal canister;that it's just for crank case vapors, which may contain oil VAPORS. This is like MASS AMOUNTS of LIQUID oil coming out....

Sparkles
06-12-2007, 12:09 PM
Yeah I understand, I wasn't insinuating you were so dumb that you would pour 4qts on top of 4qts but it could happen so I was just making sure.
The very first thing you must do is find where the oil is coming from and go from there. Mass amounts of oil should be pretty easy to spot if you clean the back of the motor off.
Does your B16 have the oem oil cooler on it? You could check that if it does.

I Hate Import Cars
06-12-2007, 12:32 PM
what?! They had oil coolers? it's a B16A2...

I Hate Import Cars
06-12-2007, 12:34 PM
p.s., the clean and check method is a little hard to do, because by the time it DOES do it, it is EVERWHERE!

honduh_head
06-14-2007, 04:38 PM
did you put the motor together? if so did you make sure to put that little jet thingy in the block where it passes oil to the head? if thats not in there it may be pushing out of the head under load....OR the head gasket is backwards....other wise there is a oil passage that is leaking in the back of the block or something....like a bolt is loose in the back....or on the back of the head....you should have someone stand next to the block while you start it if you haven't done that already.....thats all i can think of.... g/l man

I Hate Import Cars
06-14-2007, 05:04 PM
THANKS MAN. bUT IT'S ONLY AT HIGH RPM AND MY LAUNCH LIMITER WON'T LET IT GO ABOVE 5000 W/O ANY VSS INPUT. i THINK 'VE GOT IT NARROWED DOWN. WE'RE GOING TO FIX IT TOMORROW NIGHT. i'LL LET YOU KNOW HOW IT GOES. :)

Full-Race Henry
06-14-2007, 05:43 PM
As a side note, the charcoal canister is installed into the block, but the tubes into the top are not there.


Are you talking about the black can that is installed onto the back of the block? Sounds to me that this is your problem. There is a barb fitting that is on the back, on the upper part of the short block that is supposed to hook up to this can. if its open, you will be spitting out oil, especially if you do not have any other type of breather.

Good luck, but i would start there

I Hate Import Cars
06-15-2007, 09:51 AM
Are you talking about the black can that is installed onto the back of the block? Sounds to me that this is your problem. There is a barb fitting that is on the back, on the upper part of the short block that is supposed to hook up to this can. if its open, you will be spitting out oil, especially if you do not have any other type of breather.

Good luck, but i would start there

okay and what does that lead to? There's 2 lines into the breather box. 1 is the one you're talking about, the other one goes to manifold vacuum. right now I have the 2 just hooked up to each other, and nothing coming out of the breather box. My plan for tonight was just to run 1 line from the breather box to a catch can (on top) and the return from the catch can to the other port on the breather box. But what about those two that are just hooked together right now? is that going to make a problem? I could REALLY use the help here...

Full-Race Henry
06-17-2007, 11:08 AM
there is a barb fitting that is on the back of the block closer to the top of the deck. you may not have hooked it up or plugged it. check that first

I Hate Import Cars
06-21-2007, 11:56 AM
so here's the update. Bought a new breather box, cut it open, took out about 1", then repositioned the baffles inside, welded it back together, and installed it. It's been two days and it's looking good so far! I'm gonna change plugs then drive to Long Beach tomorrow and see if I'm still oiling down #3...if not, there are the 50 questions all answered with the same fix! YAY! Thanks again for everyone's help and input on theis. I appreciate it. Now go to the EG page and answer my NEXT delimma about a hatch cargo light! :)