So Hondata is Suing PGMFI.org...Blundar needs some help!

[smoovy]

Posting this for a friend...massive amounts of exposure are necessary to help this cause.

Basically Hondata is Suing Dave Blundell of PGMFI.org and he needs everyone's help with this legal battle.

1st, he needs a GOOD Intellectual Property lawyer that is willing to help us out. If they cannot do it Pro Bono (sp?) then we need to help him raise funds to pay the costs but we will win this.

Here is the main topic:
http://forum.pgmfi.org/viewtopic.php?t=11755

Here is the LONG Read:
http://forum.pgmfi.org/viewtopic.php?p=95637

Here are some more forums it is posted on:
http://www.d-series.org/forums//showthread.php?t=78209
http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=2135564
http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=2135571
http://www.ohiohondas.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=38491
http://www.cincinnatistreetracing.co...iew=getnewpost
http://www.cincystreetscene.com/foru...ewpost&t=38539

We need to get this posted all over...please help with donations to PGMFI if you have ever benefitted from PGMFI's work. And guess what...if you have ever worked on a Honda, you benefitted. This is pretty jacked up.

[RhdRicheeee]

damn

[smoovy]

Can't help but to follow this story. This website host all of your DIY tuning programs that are probably going to slow up Hond$t$ sales. here's more: http://www.hondata.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7135

[boostedrex]

ya that sucks

[noVtecHERE]

after reading the thread on hondata, i can see where they are comming from BUT they have no grounds to sure, why arent they sueing Neptune since i does honda computers!!!!... basically it seems the person wanting to sue is just trying to make hondata the only honda tuning program left.. gay...

[dragoonjoe13]

thats bs man,

[smoovy]

Yeah, Hondata is suing in the amount of 25K for damages. they said that there trying to protect there future as what was stolen and posted was the honda code, hondata uses to reflash ECU's. it is used in conjuction with there K-pro program, so in all I wonder why isnt Honda suing them? they use Honda code... Not there own. Mr. Dave Bundell is against anyone trying to reverse engineer someone else program that's why Neptune, crome, Uberdata...etc. are built from the ground up with there own scripting. Hondata uses Honda code and utilizing there K-pro modifier, they are able to make changes to your K series ECU. there is no chips or program board like s300. this is why Honda could sue.... but would they? probably not. that's Honda's intelect property and hondata is using it to make profit. I wonder if honda knows?

[Aodhan]

What I find interesting in all of that is how much commenting they are doing on the case. Isn't one of the things that you are supposed to do when you have a lawsuit is not talk about it?

[GunnRulF]

Yeah, Hondata is suing in the amount of 25K for damages. they said that there trying to protect there future as what was stolen and posted was the honda code, hondata uses to reflash ECU's. it is used in conjuction with there K-pro program, so in all I wonder why isnt Honda suing them? they use Honda code... Not there own. Mr. Dave Bundell is against anyone trying to reverse engineer someone else program that's why Neptune, crome, Uberdata...etc. are built from the ground up with there own scripting. Hondata uses Honda code and utilizing there K-pro modifier, they are able to make changes to your K series ECU. there is no chips or program board like s300. this is why Honda could sue.... but would they? probably not. that's Honda's intelect property and hondata is using it to make profit. I wonder if honda knows?

im sure they do, this is what you call corporate bullshit

[smoovy]

This is a link to what's been going on with Hondata vs. blundell

http://www.hondata.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7135&start=45

[kawgomoo]

i gotta say if i was the guy that cracked the honda oem code and people stole it and made there own software {piracy} id be pretty pissed to.

you have to admit if it wasnt for hondata all these other honda ecu hacks wouldnt be so available today.

call it b.s. all you want. but they have alot of money and time invested. if we dont support the originators then it hurts the entire community.

this has always been a problem in the import community. one person does all the work, then everyone copies and bites there shit, undercuts them and the guy that busted his ass in the first place gets left hanging high and dry.

25k is a pretty petty lawsuit.

[smoovy]

I would support them but I am not for this petty suit. We have yet to see a K-Pro modifier or anything of that nature. so what are the damages? it's just like jaredkaragen said on Hondata- Remember: If you have that kpro ECU in your car, and use that downloader to download the code on the ECU; that is called a "Legal backup" by todays standards.... just as if I were to backup my OEM rom off the ecu to upload a new ROM. So with that said, what standards does Hondata have to pursue the Webmaster? if anyone, it would be the poster of the software, but he's out of the country and they can't do shit about it.

Hondata's Legal advisor really sucks and has put a bad vibe through the community about Hondata. who in there right mind would give them control over a free roots tuning site? I'm not for that, but I will give Hondata this, they have the right to Protect there Intelectual property, but how was someone able to get it in the first place? they need to protect it better. I've used Hondata before. I think they have a great product, but I think This Lawsuit is going to hurt them more than help them. NuFF Said!!!

[HRTuning]

Oh ya, it was definitely the wrong move on their part and they will be feeling the effects. At least for a little while.

[kawgomoo]

i havent read the details on the lawsuit. i always have and always will dislike hondata. no particular reason im just prejudiced against it.

they are just hackers themselves, riding the coat tails of the work honda did. they are just getting greedy and trying to control the market.. like i said it seems pretty petty/shitty.

as far as there work getting out.. the hard part is cracking the code. once that is done its fairly easy for your average college tech nerd to decompile there work and figure out what it does and how. wasnt zdyne the true orginator of all this?

i think hondata is a complete rip off. for 500 bucks i can get a delphi mefi4 computer which is the size of a deck of playing cards, will do any and everything it needs to.. not to mention its waterproof, shock proof, bomb proof. you can mount it under the hood, it weighs nothing and its tiny. id use that over a hondata any day....

but alas the plug n play part attracts people. hondata technicially isnt legal on a street driven vehicle anyways so we have to assume they are only for use on race and off road cars only right? in that case there are much better units available for that specific purpose/price point.