Another Rookie Turbo Question

[SlowLS]

Ok, I am still learning about Turdo kits. My question is, When i get my Turbo kit(May of this year) Can i just bolt on and start boosting? Is there anything else i have to do? Its going on a D16Y7 with Stock internals and some pretty decent bolt on's. ( 65mm Throttle Body, 2 1/2" Skunk2 Exhaust). Do i need to do anything to the ECU right Away? Can i run my stock injectors?

Calling all Turbo Junkies!!! Help.:type:

[18c]

Get it tuned first off.
You can use stock injectors if you use an FMU but i wouldnt ever recommend anyone to use it as i wouldnt ever use it myself.

What you have to do depends on what your kit comes with. To get it tuned your ecu needs to be chipped and then tuned and you need injectors.

basically you need to connect the manifold, turbo, downpipe, intercooler and piping, BOV, Wastegate, do vacuum system, oil lines, and probably a fuel pump.

If you run the FMU you would need to run an inline fuel pump as well as either checkvalves or a missing link.

[SlowLS]

Get it tuned first off.
You can use stock injectors if you use an FMU but i wouldnt ever recommend anyone to use it as i wouldnt ever use it myself.

What you have to do depends on what your kit comes with. To get it tuned your ecu needs to be chipped and then tuned and you need injectors.

basically you need to connect the manifold, turbo, downpipe, intercooler and piping, BOV, Wastegate, do vacuum system, oil lines, and probably a fuel pump.

If you run the FMU you would need to run an inline fuel pump as well as either checkvalves or a missing link.

what is an FMU?

[94EXCIVIC]

fuel management unit

[TurboElements]

Don't cheap it out with the FMU or a missing link, do it right the first time. If you can't afford to do a proper ecu or fueling then you shouldn't be boosting a car.

[Rufus]

I was in the same boat, but once you do it you see how simple it is. The only thing I can say is have some money for it. Just when you think you're done you'll have another $400 to dump into it all.

[tuybotom]

rufus is right about the money part! if you want it to be reliable and fast you better have some good funds to support it. if you are running obd2, i suggest you go with greddy e-manage for your ecu and tuning. i have had it on my old civic for about 2 years running great with no problems until it got stolen. you can still use your stock injectors with e-manage, but if you plan on boosting over 8-10 psi i wouldnt recommend it. look into getting a walbro in-tank fuel pump because the stock fuel pump might not support your boosting needs.

go to www.turbod16.com if you want all your questions answered

[Rufus]

if you want it to be reliable and fast you better have some good funds to support it. if you are running obd2, i suggest you go with greddy e-manage for your ecu and tuning

Those statements negate each other

[SlowLS]

rufus is right about the money part! if you want it to be reliable and fast you better have some good funds to support it. if you are running obd2, i suggest you go with greddy e-manage for your ecu and tuning. i have had it on my old civic for about 2 years running great with no problems until it got stolen. you can still use your stock injectors with e-mange, but if you plan on boosting over 8-10 psi i wouldnt recommend it. look into getting a walbro in-tank fuel pump because the stock fuel pump might not support your boosting needs.

go to www.turbod16.com if you want all your questions answered

whats a ecu system like that run?

[tuybotom]

whats a ecu system like that run?

you can get them on e-bay all day long for about $279-300 new. or if you look on the classifieds on azht im sure you can find one. i have seen some of them go for $50-300 on here.

[02BLKCIVIC]

Stand alone for the win!!!:clapper:

[Rufus]

Kpro Ftw

[02BLKCIVIC]

yeeaahh...

[blk00civic]

yea usually ur car wont adhere to the new bolt ons without a tunable ecu. like you can get bigger injectors but they will only put out what the smaller ones were

[18c]

well first off what turbo kit are you planning on buying. and slapping bigger injectors alone will make ur car run rich as hell.

[blk00civic]

you can bypass the ecu upgrade and get a vafc and a boost controller but youll spend more on that than just to get a flashed ecu

[18c]

The VAFC hack is just slightly less half assed than an FMU, why would you go through the work of buying injectors and buying a 200 dollar unit to half ass it still? plus you still need to run those POS missing links or check valves(which work better imo but are ghetto as hell) socketing an ecu cost like what 50-100 bucks? yes tuning cost like 600 bucks on neptune, but that includes dyno time + the tuner + your car running correctly. If you half ass it, you will either blow up your car or if your lucky figure out you need to get it tuned and go this route later.

[SlowLS]

well first off what turbo kit are you planning on buying. and slapping bigger injectors alone will make ur car run rich as hell.

I'm just getting a cheap ebay kit for now. i know that they got a bad reputation on azht, but i just really want to start boosting for cheap. does toxic tunning tune ecu's?

[The President]

I'm just getting a cheap ebay kit for now. i know that they got a bad reputation on azht, but i just really want to start boosting for cheap. does toxic tunning tune ecu's?

I don't think they are even open any more. I'd suggest either LoCash, or UMS Tuning.

[tuybotom]

you can bypass the ecu upgrade and get a vafc and a boost controller but youll spend more on that than just to get a flashed ecu

don't listen to this guy

[blk00civic]

^^then what else can you do cuz thats what i was told

[tuybotom]

^^then what else can you do cuz thats what i was told

vafc hack is not reliable at all. you can't adjust ignition timing with it, which is what is needed under boost. his best best would be to convert to obd1 and get an ecu chipped with crome and them get tuned

[blk00civic]

^^^but you could adjust the timing by getting a timing light and adjust the distributer. or neptune would be abit more expensive and ive heard that crome wasnt as reliable

[18c]

you need to be able to retard timing on boost. What your talking about is just advancing or retarding the timing in general. Crome has a nice interface but yah it has a lot of downfalls. You also have to take into consideration that Locash charges 550 for the whole tune for neptune but hourly for crome.

To get somewhat of a tune on the VAFC hack you need to either pay for dyno time or buy a wideband. which in the end puts you somewhere in the price range of a full tune. Plus as said above the AFC doesnt retard timing.

[tuybotom]

you need to be able to retard timing on boost. What your talking about is just advancing or retarding the timing in general. Crome has a nice interface but yah it has a lot of downfalls. You also have to take into consideration that Locash charges 550 for the whole tune for neptune but hourly for crome.

To get somewhat of a tune on the VAFC hack you need to either pay for dyno time or buy a wideband. which in the end puts you somewhere in the price range of a full tune. Plus as said above the AFC doesnt retard timing.

bingo!

[SlowLS]

okay so in the end i'm going to pay around and additional 800 bucks to get it tuned?

[02BLKCIVIC]

please dont buy an ebay turbo...

[SlowLS]

please dont buy an ebay turbo...

Why? I never knew the reason a lot of the guys on azht dont like ebay turdo kits, do they not work the same?

[02BLKCIVIC]

"reliability"


most are rebuilt...

some poorly

[SlowLS]

"reliability"


most are rebuilt...

but if i were to take good care of it, it should be okay then right?

[02BLKCIVIC]

in my opinion (and i dont own one)

i wouldnt get it no...

if i had to guess shaft play would be the first thing to go wrong...

there peaces of shit...

[Rufus]

there peaces of shit...

"They're" and "pieces"

How do you guys get through life?

[02BLKCIVIC]

spell check

[SlowLS]

spell check

okay, like i said im a noob at this, shaft play?

[Rufus]

okay, like i said im a noob at this, shaft play?

You've never masturbated?

[02BLKCIVIC]

lol...

[SlowLS]

You've never masturbated?

who me nooooooooooooooo.................not me. ;-)

[blk00civic]

i do 9 times a day lol but dude you should just wait till you can afford something better cuz what happens if you spend 500 on a turbo and you end up blowin yor motor or it fucks up anything else its not worth the risk unless you know what your doing and if you have the cash to back it up basically do it right the first time so you dont have to go back and fix it

[02BLKCIVIC]

o yeah I saw this on civic forums.

isnt this the manifold your gona buy

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/4839/blowupss9.jpg

[SlowLS]

o yeah I saw this on civic forums.

isnt this the manifold your gona buy

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/4839/blowupss9.jpg

was that an ebay kit?

[02BLKCIVIC]

yeah

[SlowLS]

yeah

damn that blows, what if i got a different turbo mani?

[02BLKCIVIC]

bro, im afraid if i answer that question

this conversation might not ever end...

go do some research, and learn about turbo applications

[Rufus]

bro, im afraid if i answer that question

this conversation might not ever end...



i loled

[Tru03]

i wouldnt do nothing to your car unless you do it right the first time save up and get everything you need. nothing good happens when you rush.

[blk00civic]

and if you were to buy a new manifold your gonna have to push out more cash and dont forget you still gota tune it. in all acctuality it your car your money if you think its worthy do it

[18c]

You get what you pay for, if you want to buy ebay turbo kits go ahead. If your asking for an honest opinion about them they are pieces of shit, everything they make.

It seems like your trying to find someone who will tell you that they arent that bad. In reality they suck, does that mean you cant buy them? no. You can only lead a horse to water.

[nuocmam]

You get what you pay for, if you want to buy ebay turbo kits go ahead. If your asking for an honest opinion about them they are pieces of shit, everything they make.

It seems like your trying to find someone who will tell you that they arent that bad. In reality they suck, does that mean you cant buy them? no. You can only lead a horse to water.

very true, ebay kits are poor quality period. I know full Greddy turbo kits for d-series motors run about 1500 and they come pretty much complete, including e-manage.

Ebay kits have no reputation therefore when they sell you shit, they honestly don't care (they have nothing to lose); big time companies like Greddy have a reputation so they at least have some standards to live up to.

[taggart_lumpy]

holy shit
this is better than the relationship advice threads

[Rufus]

I'm only on about 5.5lbs and holy shit is boost fun. lol

[Rufus]

holla

[Hopeless EP3]

I'm only on about 5.5lbs and holy shit is boost fun. lol

boost isnt fun


"vtechhhh" is more fun :bananaman::bananaman:

[TheWrath]

now you can keep up with those minivans

i lol'd

[TheWrath]

boost isnt fun


"vtechhhh" is more fun :bananaman::bananaman:

NOOB QUESTION!!!!!

what exactly is vtech?

[blk00civic]

vtec not vetch

[SlowLS]

very true, ebay kits are poor quality period. I know full Greddy turbo kits for d-series motors run about 1500 and they come pretty much complete, including e-manage.

Ebay kits have no reputation therefore when they sell you shit, they honestly don't care (they have nothing to lose); big time companies like Greddy have a reputation so they at least have some standards to live up to.

ok, for the greddy kit, did you find that price on there website? or a vendor here in town?

[02BLKCIVIC]

since you have a ebay account^

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Greddy-Bolt-on-Turbo-Kit-Honda-Civic-EX-96-00_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1638Q2em118Q2el1247Q QcategoryZ33742QQihZ002QQitemZ120237587371QQrdZ1QQ sspagenameZWD1V

[SlowLS]

since you have a ebay account^

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Greddy-Bolt-on-Turbo-Kit-Honda-Civic-EX-96-00_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1638Q2em118Q2el1247Q QcategoryZ33742QQihZ002QQitemZ120237587371QQrdZ1QQ sspagenameZWD1V

damn 2 g's, nice kit though. it'll just take me longer to save up that much. I was considering the cheap ebay kit because i have two kids and it was what i can afford. but after reading all of your guy's input, i think its worth while to save up and get this greddy kit.

[Crxpunk89]

NOOB QUESTION!!!!!

what exactly is vtech?
Ikuo Kajitani invented it :] ANND it is Variable Valve Timing and Lift Electronic Control

[Crxpunk89]

ANDDDDDDDDD i would wait and save for a good turbo. Good things comes to those who wait. and those who get ebay turbos GO TO HELL!!!:devil1:

[02BLKCIVIC]

if you have two kids and your car blew up, do you honestly think that would "help" your situation?

[Rufus]

I new running motor for my car would cost me $350 and take me a weekend to put in myself. I'm pretty sure I could handle it.

[18c]

if you knew what you were talking about you would know that this is VTECH!:hithead:
http://www.slashgear.com/gallery/data_files/7/4/VTech_Dect_6_phone.jpg

Saving up is worth it to do it right he first time.

[SlowLS]

I new running motor for my car would cost me $350 and take me a weekend to put in myself. I'm pretty sure I could handle it.

Wurd, you gotta love d-series. cheap motors.

[Crxpunk89]

if you knew what you were talking about you would know that this is VTECH!:hithead:
http://www.slashgear.com/gallery/data_files/7/4/VTech_Dect_6_phone.jpg

Saving up is worth it to do it right he first time.


Correct that is Vtech but its not vtec lol. Oh i juust noticed my home phone is vtech lol.

[18c]

Correct that is Vtech but its not vtec lol. Oh i juust noticed my home phone is vtech lol.
he asked what vtech was.....:bananaman:

[Hopeless EP3]

NOOB QUESTION!!!!!

what exactly is vtech?

its my phone :)

vtec not vetch

I know its not thats why its bold:thumbup:

[40psi_]

if yo really want to boost... wait till you have 2k in the bank... go to a shop. ask them to set you up tell them you have 12-15 hundred. they should get you a small turbo a mani and all the other shit, they can even tune your shit cause they will know whats going into it... and try to find parts on azht classifieds. MOST the stuff is good and you might even get some one to give you a deal on there stuff and hook you up with a tune...

[taggart_lumpy]

dude where did you come from?