got boost???

[seth00008]

trying to boost a gsr what all do i need

i have the 450cc injectors
intercooler
td04 turbo and housing
and all the pipes.
and a walboral fuel pump on the way

how many psi will i be able to run on stock internals?

what else do i need and where is a good reliable place to get tuned and chipped i know it might cost alot but please name the place and a ball park figure so i no what im lookin at

[ownercarry]

450cc injectors sound like dsm units. did you get the resistor box to go with them? smoke your ecu without it.

factory pressure sensor, map, will only go to about 11-12 psi so without a higher pressure unit, you're stuck there on your tune.

450cc injectors will also only get you about 375whp at stock fuel pressure. with adjustable fuel pressure regulator, you can up the pressure and make them work harder, but walbro will not keep volume past 60psi. stock pressure is 43, add 15psi of boost on that and you're at the limit of the walbro for keeping constant pressure. HOWEVER, walbro will keep pace with 750cc injectors just by increasing duty cycle in the tune.

so a good tune, and good tuner, will put you to the limit of those injectors. get a 3 bar map or something like that, a hondata s100 and a tune from xact or locash and run 15psi on pump gas. higher than that and you need to go to bigger injectors and race gas for consistent power.

[seth00008]

so if i get 750cc injectors and i all ready have a adjustable fuel pressure regulator i can rune 11-12 psi,,, safely or is it 15psi safely

[ALLMTR_EF8]

What are your power goals on this car? Is this your daily driver? Please be more detailed on what you want the car to do. 750s are overkill if you only plan on doing 400whp which would be plenty of power for the streets, I would maybe go with 550 or something along those lines but if you need room to grow I would recomened the 750. But like I said you need to explain what you want the car to do!

[locash]

I highly recommend going with the high pressure RC 750cc or RC1000cc injectors for a few reasons.. Either one will work fine at low boost, and you'll have lots of headroom for upgrades, plus they are a lot easier to resell later on, if the need arises.. The RC550's are notorious for failing, and the DSM 450's will easily max out at just over 300hp on a turbo car..

Also, it isnt all about boost pressure, keep in mind that the smaller turbo's will have a lot higher exit temperatures at elevated boost levels, making it harder and harder to make more power safely..

Oh, and you need to tune the car, you cant boost on the stock ecu with bigger injectors..

[seth00008]

well im hoping to be at the 350hp range and its my daily drive so... and ideas what to do the td04 will spool up fast and be at full boost at about 3500-4000 rpms if thats true what all should i do

[Agent Smith]

... what else do i need and where is a good reliable place to get tuned and chipped i know it might cost alot but please name the place and a ball park figure so i no what im lookin at
pm cartman if you want a good street tune for cheap, he does chipping too.
otherwise if you want a good dyno tune go to joe @ locash :)

[seth00008]

ok so clear this up i want atleast be in the 13.7 region. and still be a dd

what hp am i looking at in order to achieve this goal?
and how many pounds of boost should i run i was thinking 8 but idk i need more input so please help

[SteadyBoostin]

i highly doubt u would have problems hitting 13.7 on 8 or 9 pounds
ive seen 12.0 on 9psi street tires, street tune, stock b16

[1sicCrx]

with the right tune.. the right stuff.. not the cheap way of doing things.. there are endless amounts of power to be gained.. BUT.. its has to be tuned right. you can have the best stuff in the world.. slap it together and run 14s and having issues... blowing shit up all the time etc... then have avg stuff.. tuned right.. hitting low 13's high 12's consistant and not have many if any problems. get it tuned. like they said.. 750cc's are the way to go.. get tuned and have fun! GL

[seth00008]

ok so start new

i need 750cc is getting a hondata s100-200 a smart move?

and where do i go to get a nice tune that wont leave me broke like no joke
i no locash but what does it mean when he says customer handles tune?

[Agent Smith]

ok so start new

i need 750cc is getting a hondata s100-200 a smart move?

and where do i go to get a nice tune that wont leave me broke like no joke
i no locash but what does it mean when he says customer handles tune?
As I already stated...

pm cartman if you want a good street tune for cheap, he does chipping too.
otherwise if you want a good dyno tune go to joe @ locash :)
"customer handles tune" means YOU tune your car, & basically just rent the dyno, he doesn't do any work or give any instruction, this is not what YOU want.

[seth00008]

so there where should i go to get it tuned by someone who knows what there doing

[SteadyBoostin]

pm cartman if u want a good street tune that wont destroy your wallet :thumbsup:

[seth00008]

whats the diff on street tune and a tune by a company?

[rudsone]

cartman will tune your car good.
locash will get the most power out.

[BADCHKN]

street tune is good enough, dyno is where you can play with cam gears and timing to see if you can pick up more power ect.

[SteadyBoostin]

basically if you arent trying to get amazing numbers out of your car go with the street tune
Street car=street tune IMO

[ALLMTR_EF8]

Locash is worth the cash IMO, plenty on reliable 800+WHP car that he has tuned!!!!

[SteadyBoostin]

ive heard nothing but good stuff about locash if u have the cash get it tuned there but if not street tune is always another option
either way GL :thumbsup:

[seth00008]

well i want to get alot of power but if locash has it to where i have to tune it then i cant, i see what you mean by street tune but i want this car to be a 13 second car and also a dd so..

[rudsone]

go to the locash site...its like 450 for Crome (sp) and a tune (he will tune it)

theres alot of options for tuning....

go to the site....

[locash]

I do all the tuning on my dyno, unless someone really wants to tune their car themselves.

A lot of people don't understand the dangerous situations involved with street tuning, as you are not in a controlled environment, you have no idea if you have your ignition over-advanced.. Its the cheap way of doing things, and thats a good way to build your motor twice. Lets put it this way, if a "tuner" really knew what he was doing, he'd either own a dyno, or use one for every car. Otherwise, he's just a beginner, using you as a test dummy.

Your call. :)

[ALLMTR_EF8]

^^^ WERDSKIE Dude

[seth00008]

well i want to go to you cause i have heard so many good things but i was always skeptical about the tune part but now i know and will be heading your way within a month or two

[taggart_lumpy]

:crazy:

[Jesse]

Heres my worthless .02 cents...

I used to street tune plenty of cars...never really had any issues. Looking back going 140 in a "customers" car is stupid on the streets. You also leave alot on the table powerwise... I've also seen plenty of cars tuned on the dyno that run like shit part throttle (even on dyno's that have load control) Your never going to simulate everyday driving conditions 100%.

I'd say for the best tune street tune part throttle, and then power pulls on a dyno...

[seth00008]

ok... quick question with the td04 does anyone know when full boost will be hit and just how much psi can i go to be safe i keep hearing way to many and want a final answer all internals are stock and have about 50k miles on them and a friend of mine took a look inside and said everything is perfect.

[FranktheTank]

Go to Locash for the tune.
and get a hondata S300!

[seth00008]

why the s300 and how much do they go for, im only 17 so im on a budget bud

[JDM Jon]

the s300 has boost control.. the 200 doesnt
not sure on the price but close to 400?

[seth00008]

ok, not to bad , and does anyone know where i can get a wideband o2 sensor at besides egay.

and is there no answer to how many psi i will be able to run on my car

[seth00008]

ok people answer truthfully

whats better for engine management,

hondata
chrome
or any other company

i get that hondata has alot of things but all im really looking for is a system that will protect my engine from overboost and make me boosting more safe so whats best give name and usual price please? and is the s300 really plug and play and do i still have to buy the wideband 02 sensor or does it come with one.

[seth00008]

bump. i need answers as soon as i can get them

[Mr.Burner]

Hondata for the EMS.

Inovative for the wideband.

Joe for the tuning.

start ordering and make an appointment.

:thumbsup:

hopefully we'll see another fast honda on the streets, instead of hearing about it...lol

[seth00008]

i understand but with hondata do i just plug and play or what and where or who can install it

also who can install this and should i get this

http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/xcart/product.php?productid=16164&cat=262&page=1&xid=f2dff73c007c5f86cb042aec231995ce

or a UEGO wideband from aem.

and what other gauges do i need and where would i get them from

[AZ93Civic]

why the s300 and how much do they go for, im only 17 so im on a budget bud

or a s200 w/ boost option :) save you some money

[seth00008]

ok , do i really need a hondata tho or is it something people just say that you need to do

[Agent Smith]

u need hondata, neptune, or crome pro or some kind of tuning that can handle boost

[Mr.Burner]

jesus, goto hondata.com and read read read read.....yes you can tie in a wide band for the ecu to read under a data log.

[seth00008]

ok i am getting further and further with this and i just decided s300 this will be my last question so bare with me

what wideband o2 sensor do i get and what about the other reading that i need like boost an all that please tell me what i need and where to go

[Agent Smith]

google pwns you.

[seth00008]

ok well should i go namebrand company for wideband and im looking for a place that sells the wideband o2 sensor everything i need to install the a/f gauge , boost gauge, oil temp gauge all in one and everything i need to install all those

[Agent Smith]

go with an innovative or aem.

[xactdyno]

i don't think anyone makes a single gauge that does all three of those things.

the hondata doesn't "need" a wideband. this is for you, so when you're boosting, you can kinda keep an eye on it and make sure it doesn't go lean. once tuned, this shouldn't ever happen, but mechanical things can happen and best to see it on the gauge than a bunch of smoke under your hood.

hondata doesn't make the s200 anymore. you might find one cheap becuase the s100 is not 195 with boost. but if an s300 has so many features including by-gear boost control and a good electronic boost controller is 250 or so plus install, then the jump from 195 to 595 for the s300 is justified. also, the s300 let's you make any adjustments you want (though this can be dangerous ;-)

all, hondata, crome, neptune, etc, will achieve the same power since we're working with the factory fuel and ignition tables. what it comes down to is what works the best for the tuner and you (for easy tuning and options).

i believe Xact Dyno has the only commercial (dyno) license for crome in the state (any one else is using their single user Pro license illegally since it's for one ecu), just like LoCash has only neptune license. but crome is such a pain in the ass, i charge $50 MORE to tune with crome compared to hondata. and it should be more!

if you're just going to go with one boost level and you don't have any need to tamper with things, get an s100 and a 100 dollar mechanical boost controller and leave it all alone. if you want to play with it, have launch control, anti-lag, boost by gear and the added features of the s300, then spend 3x the $ on it and be happy about it. either system is one you can use on ANY honda (except K and f20c).

[Duncan]

LOL at ppl saying hondata is EMS

[Mr.Burner]

LOL at ppl saying hondata is EMS

well it does manage your engine's ability to make power safe right?

basically the same thing, call it what you want does it really matter bro?

[seth00008]

i don't think anyone makes a single gauge that does all three of those things.

the hondata doesn't "need" a wideband. this is for you, so when you're boosting, you can kinda keep an eye on it and make sure it doesn't go lean. once tuned, this shouldn't ever happen, but mechanical things can happen and best to see it on the gauge than a bunch of smoke under your hood.

hondata doesn't make the s200 anymore. you might find one cheap becuase the s100 is not 195 with boost. but if an s300 has so many features including by-gear boost control and a good electronic boost controller is 250 or so plus install, then the jump from 195 to 595 for the s300 is justified. also, the s300 let's you make any adjustments you want (though this can be dangerous ;-)

all, hondata, crome, neptune, etc, will achieve the same power since we're working with the factory fuel and ignition tables. what it comes down to is what works the best for the tuner and you (for easy tuning and options).

i believe Xact Dyno has the only commercial (dyno) license for crome in the state (any one else is using their single user Pro license illegally since it's for one ecu), just like LoCash has only neptune license. but crome is such a pain in the ass, i charge $50 MORE to tune with crome compared to hondata. and it should be more!

if you're just going to go with one boost level and you don't have any need to tamper with things, get an s100 and a 100 dollar mechanical boost controller and leave it all alone. if you want to play with it, have launch control, anti-lag, boost by gear and the added features of the s300, then spend 3x the $ on it and be happy about it. either system is one you can use on ANY honda (except K and f20c).

thank you for finally answering my question and not telling me something else

[seth00008]

do i just need the hondata s300 or do i need more stuff and who can install and how much can they do it for (ball park figure doesnt have to be exact) cause from what i hear is you buy it and take it to a shop and they install. but is there any wires or conversion harnesses or is it just in the ecu and doesnt it have v-tec controller also?

[ALLMTR_EF8]

do i just need the hondata s300 or do i need more stuff and who can install and how much can they do it for (ball park figure doesnt have to be exact) cause from what i hear is you buy it and take it to a shop and they install. but is there any wires or conversion harnesses or is it just in the ecu and doesnt it have v-tec controller also?WTF? Go to honda-tech and do a search. You will need a obd-1 ECU and depending on what type of car you have you might need a jumper harness. I think there is enough info on this thread to make up your mind on what you want!!:hello::hello:

[xactdyno]

EMS - Engine Management System.
how is a honda ecu not this?

for those that are bad with their abbreviations.
ECU - Engine Control Unit
ECM - Engine Control Unit
PCM - Powertrain Control Unit (typically ECM with auto trans or similiar in the same box)

all hondata uses obd 1 ecus like you should have read on hondata.com. unless your car is already obd 1, then you will need a conversion harness. many claim they can install hondata, but soldering is easy, desoldering takes tools that cost more than 9.95. ask to see an example.

[Acrite3404]

if i was u i would spend money on forged internals then turbo kit and injectors.

[anthony02]

na the s200 bro would work just fine and 550cc injectors would be better my gsr thats what i had and it ran perfect 750cc are ok but really you dont need to go that big

[xactdyno]

s200 has been discontinued since january. s100 now comes with all the options the s200 had and is only 195, so why would you recommend s200?????

[seth00008]

so the s100 is basically a s200 now

[xactdyno]

w/ the exception of not being able to datalog, yes.
they always had s100 & s200, but now s300 makes s200 obsolete.

[seth00008]

ok well im not really looking into using everything s300 has so if i get s200 il be good cause im not going to mess with anything once im boosted so what should i do

[xactdyno]

seth, it's all here in the post.
get the s300 if you want awesome boost control and your own access to the tune. otherwise, used s200 (make Sure it has boost option, not all do) or s100.

[seth00008]

honestly i dont even no what to do, i keep hearing way to many things and dont know what to go with, what would you do
with my set up

im going to get 550cc in the next week or 2
i have a tdo4 turbo and some piping and a front mount and a 255 walbro

can you tell me what wideband is good, what emc i need, where to go for wastegate, oil lines everything else that i need , im not planning on tunning my self and sure as heck am not messsing with anything after i have joe tune it.

[xactdyno]

much easier to just talk. if you like, just call monday.

[dluv-22]

if.ur.on.a.budget.i.would.go.streettune.since.ur.m otor.will.probably..stock.or.near.stock...
if.u.r.boostin.a.built.motor.i.would.go.2.locash.&.not.chance.destroying.it..regardless.u.can.always .get.ur.car
dyno.tuned.later.on.after.getting.up.&.runnin...my.2cents

[bada9]

go to locash... hes the man!

[Mr.Burner]

why is there a period after every word?




Joe is the man.

[bada9]

s300 has more options and features, you could do neptune if you go to locash, and there are so many variables in tuning a car and being able to tell how a turbo will act its rediculous, so theres not really a way to get a straight answer... but when i get my car tuned im for sure goin to locash!

[FranktheTank]

if.ur.on.a.budget.i.would.go.streettune.since.ur.m otor.will.probably..stock.or.near.stock...
if.u.r.boostin.a.built.motor.i.would.go.2.locash.&.not.chance.destroying.it..regardless.u.can.always .get.ur.car
dyno.tuned.later.on.after.getting.up.&.runnin...my.2cents

This Is harder to read then a Forgien language!

Shit.
And A Street tune is a horrible Idea.
Locash all the way.