NASA Pro Racing Arizona Region :: Thanksgiving Weekend Enduro

[topramn]

HPDE1 (Saturday)
HPDE2 (Sunday)
HPDE3 (Saturday, Two day option available for DE3, Combines with DE2 Sunday)
NASA TT Both Days
Race Group Sprint Race and Enduro Qualify (Saturday)
Race Group 3 hour ALS Charity Enduro (Double Points) Final 2008 Race
Comp School Saturday (Limited to 20 People – 10 People Needed to hold the class)
Trial By Fire Drift (Sunday)

Register now!!

https://www.nasaproracing.com/ems/event/798



Thanksgiving PIR Event Info

Pre Registration will be open till 7pm Thursday (Thanksgiving) November 27, 2008, At Track Registration will open at 6:30am Nov 29th and Nov 30th in the Registration room at the Track.

Pre Register here https://www.nasaproracing.com/ems/event/798

The Paddock will be full this weekend Park with nose in on all spots!

Track: Phoenix International Raceway

Date: Friday, Saturday and Sunday November 29th and 30th
Event Start Time: 7:50AM
Event End Time: 5:00PM


PRE-Event and Paddock Setup: Friday November 28th @ 4pm

Schedule http://forums.clubracingaz.com/showt...8359#post18359

Event Gates Open: Saturday and Sunday @ 6:00 AM

At Track Registration/Check In Opens: 6:30AM, Saturday and Sunday in the Down Stairs Class room

Tech Opens at 6:45am both days at the Far west end of the Garages

Race Tech: Will open at 7AM Saturday morning in the Media Center, Have your Current Comp or Provisional Lic., Log Book and be Checked in at Registration if you do not have your NASA/CRA Lanyard you will no be cleared for Race Tech!
!!! Also you need to contact Steve Marlow if your NASA Race license is not up to date!!!

Garages: Are First Come First Serve, you may not hold a spot for a buddy on Friday night!

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!READ THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

HPDE Downloads: Will be held in the Registration Room !!

Course Configuration: Rolex Grand Am Course

Timing and Scoring: All Times will be posted at the Entry of Registration, Do Not come up to T&S asking for extra Print outs, all times will be posted on Mylaps.com on Monday December 1st. If there is a problem with your Time or Transponder Info please contact your Group leader, NOT T&S.

All Transponder Rentals need to be returned to Registration by no later than 30 minutes after your final session, If not returned by then you will be fined $50.

Food: There is Food Available at the Track Provided by PIR, All Admin, and worker food will be provided for you.

Fuel: Fuel will be present by SUNOCO, and generally closes about 1:30pm, Circle K is a ½ mile away with 87 to 91octane

SUNOCO only takes CASH and Check!! (98 Octane and 110 Octane)

Groups Running at this Event


Saturday
NASA COMP SCHOOL
HPDE-3
NASA Time-Trial (Invite Only)
NASA Racing Group (All Race Groups)
30 minute Sprint Race
Arizona Corvette Racers Group
UMS Time Attack


Sunday

HPDE-2 (HPDE3 is allowed to run with HPDE3 this event under HPDE2 Rules)
NASA Time-Trial (Invite Only)
NASA ALS 180 Enduro (All Race Groups)
Arizona Corvette Racers 2008 Finale Group
Trial By Fire Drifting

See you at the track!

Schedule

Saturday

1 7:50 AM 8:10 AM 0:20 HPDE3
2 8:10 AM 8:30 AM 0:20 NASA TT Group 1
3 8:30 AM 8:50 AM 0:20 NASA TT Group 2
4 8:50 AM 9:10 AM 0:20 NASA Comp School
5 9:10 AM 9:40 AM 0:30 NASA Race Group Practice
6 9:40 AM 10:05 AM 0:25 HPDE1
7 10:05 AM 10:25 AM 0:20 HPDE3
8 10:25 AM 10:45 AM 0:20 NASA TT Group 1
9 10:45 AM 11:05 AM 0:20 NASA TT Group 2
10 11:05 AM 11:25 AM 0:20 NASA Comp School
11 11:25 AM 11:45 AM 0:20 NASA Race Group Qualify
12 11:45 AM 12:10 PM 0:25 HPDE1
13 12:10 PM 12:30 PM 0:20 HPDE3 - NASA RACE GROUP MEETING IN THE REG ROOM
14 12:30 PM 12:50 PM 0:20 Time Correction - Lunch
15 12:50 PM 1:10 PM 0:20 NASA TT Group 1 - TIME ATTACK MEETING IN TECH
16 1:10 PM 1:30 PM 0:20 NASA TT Group 2
17 1:30 PM 1:50 PM 0:20 NASA Comp School
18 1:50 PM 2:25 PM 0:35 NASA RACE
19 2:25 PM 2:50 PM 0:25 HPDE1
20 2:50 PM 3:30 PM 0:40 UMS TUNING TIME ATTACK 2008 FINALE
21 3:30 PM 3:50 PM 0:20 NASA Comp School
22 3:50 PM 4:05 PM 0:15 NASA TT Group 1
23 4:05 PM 4:20 PM 0:15 NASA TT Group 2
24 4:20 PM 4:40 PM 0:20 HPDE3
25 4:40 PM 5:00 PM 0:20 NASA Sunday Enduro Qualify

Sunday

0 6:45 7:30 Tech all Cars
0 7:30 7:40 0:10 Drivers Meeting at the NASA Trailer
1 7:50 AM 8:10 AM 0:20 HPDE2
2 8:10 AM 8:30 AM 0:20 NASA TT Group 1
3 8:30 AM 8:50 AM 0:20 NASA TT Group 2
4 8:50 AM 9:05 AM 0:15 Trial By Fire US Drift
5 9:05 AM 9:25 AM 0:20 NASA Enduro Race Practice #1
6 9:25 AM 9:45 AM 0:20 HPDE2
7 9:45 AM 10:05 AM 0:20 NASA TT Group 1
8 10:05 AM 10:25 AM 0:20 NASA TT Group 2
9 10:25 AM 10:40 AM 0:15 Trial By Fire US Drift
10 10:40 AM 11:00 AM 0:20 NASA Enduro Race Practice #2
11 11:00 AM 11:20 AM 0:20 HPDE2
12 11:20 AM 11:40 AM 0:20 NASA TT Group 1
13 11:40 AM 12:00 PM 0:20 NASA TT Group 2
14 12:00 PM 12:15 PM 0:15 Trial By Fire US Drift - NASA RACER ENDURO MEETING IN REG ROOM
15 12:15 PM 12:35 PM 0:20 HPDE2
16 12:35 PM 1:05 PM 0:30 ACR Corvette Competition
17 1:05 PM 1:20 PM 0:15 Trial By Fire US Drift
18 1:20 PM 1:45 PM 0:25 Track Grid, Open Grid on Track, Pre Race Festivities
19 1:45 PM 5:00 PM 3:15 ALS 3 hour Enduro
20 5:00 PM 5:20 PM 0:20 Post Race Awards

[SlowCivicHmm]

Hmmm this is going to be an ODD weekend for me......I can't clone myself...


Hmmm I might show up saturday morning and bail out at like 830am....I have OTHER events to attend....but I can't completely bail out on my NASA buds........

4 Day weekend for me though!!

[Kinetic]

i'm in

Tech all weekend and


DE2 FTW

[topramn]

i'm in

Tech all weekend and


DE2 FTW

Change your name to KineticS2K

[SlowCivicHmm]

^^^ me and josh mentioned that last night while wrenching on....LOL!!

NAME CHANGE FTW!!

[ILIKETODRIVE]

Hmm, probably only going to run Sunday...we'll see.

[topramn]

Hmm, probably only going to run Sunday...we'll see.

dont be a puss.. 2 days ftmfw..

[Vtecracer]

damn plenty of track time in those two days.. i might have to run both...

[fmx_dbc]

count me in

[Phantomeg]

Jason hooked it up!!!

Two track days and hopefully Time Attack!!!

[SlowCivicHmm]

Old MAN is hoooooked!! lol....

I want to be a TA-A whore soon!!

[Vtecracer]

Old MAN is hoooooked!! lol....

I want to be a TA-A whore soon!!

SWEET... i get to play around with Joser in TA-A....and Simon too.... yeah.... too bad that there is this other ungodly fast CRX in TA-A with us that will get all the glory.....

[SlowCivicHmm]

^^^ u forgot to mention it has a SOHC in it!! hehehehehhehehe

[SlowCivicHmm]

Old MAN is hoooooked!! lol....

I WILL to be a TA-A whore soon!!

Correction!! lol....

I'll have my TA-A stickers by the event and my car will be ready, & 20 bucks in hand!!!

[Kinetic]

Correction!! lol....

I'll have my TA-A stickers by the event and my car will be ready, & 20 bucks in hand!!!



where did you get $20 from...I didn't pay you tis week because you too busy working on your car to do my pool and lawn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

the damn pool is green and the lawn is dead.......:idiot:

[JoshDC2]

where did you get $20 from...I didn't pay you tis week because you too busy working on your car to do my pool and lawn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

the damn pool is green and the lawn is dead.......:idiot:

pwned lol :argue:

[topramn]

less talking.. more registering..

[SlowCivicHmm]

where did you get $20 from...I didn't pay you tis week because you too busy working on your car to do my pool and lawn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

the damn pool is green and the lawn is dead.......:idiot:

I cheated...I picked up a lawn in QC!! lol.....

Hey sir, camber kit still available?? u got PM!!

[Kinetic]

less talking.. more registering..


shoooosh

I will register soon...whats the worst they can do.....put me in DE2?

[BlueTeg]

I'll be out there on Sunday.

[SlowCivicHmm]

shoooosh

I will register soon...whats the worst they can do.....put me in DE2?

I vote DE1....lol

[topramn]

I vote DE1....lol

de1 votes = 1
de2 votes = 0


ruh roh..

[fmx_dbc]

haha I'd love to get some new suspension on before the event...that damn A-Team CRX had the right idea...

[JoshDC2]

de1 votes = 1
de2 votes = 1


ruh roh..

I vote de2 so that i can play with an s2000 :)

[Agent Smith]

I'll be registering October 25th assuming there are any DE1 slots left open.

[fmx_dbc]

need to get paid, then I register noodles

[BlueTeg]

I'll be registering October 25th assuming there are any DE1 slots left open.

http://www.quickstopentertainment.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/11/borat-02.jpg

[mc_rhett_meister]

I'd love to say ill be there, but knowing my caR, itll let me down

[SlowCivicHmm]

c'mon rhett!! lol

[topramn]

I'd love to say ill be there, but knowing my caR, itll let me down

good job being a negative nancy..

[Tage]

SWEET... i get to play around with Joser in TA-A....and Simon too.... yeah.... too bad that there is this other ungodly fast CRX in TA-A with us that will get all the glory.....

That car is slow! The *driver* is fast...

As long as I don't blow up or wreck my car at SLB, I should be out there both days.

[dantana]

i'm in

Tech all weekend and


DE2 FTW

Jeremy you shouldnt run de2 ever again! youve been with the club for like 5 years now, new car or not you ARE skilled enough to remain in 3 or 4. big fish in small pond syndrome lame. im going to request to Mervin that he ban you from de2:clapper:

[dantana]

btw Im looking for a co-driver for the enduro race. you supply the tires, i supply the car.
phil bang out comp school on saturday and co-drive with me on sunday. time to grow some!

[Tage]

btw Im looking for a co-driver for the enduro race. you supply the tires, i supply the car.
phil bang out comp school on saturday and co-drive with me on sunday. time to grow some!

I'm considering doing the enduro with Paul but I'm concerned with costs. I can supply the tires but simply half the fuel costs and splitting the entry fee is going to add up to a pretty big bill. I honestly think after an hour I am going to be pretty bored driving around PIR. Thoughts?

[dantana]

I'm considering doing the enduro with Paul but I'm concerned with costs. I can supply the tires but simply half the fuel costs and splitting the entry fee is going to add up to a pretty big bill. I honestly think after an hour I am going to be pretty bored driving around PIR. Thoughts?

yea it does get boring, but i usually keep myself entertained trying to figure out why certain CELs are coming on, or calculating how little fuel is remaining in the car. Night enduros are a great opportunity to observe arthropods on track, i will miss the bug-watching at PIR. Honestly time drags at first, but then it speeds by quickly. When you are not Tage, you can keep busy trying to stay ahead of or trying to catch the driver in front or behind you:pissed:

[dantana]

on a side note, who all is signing up for comp schooL? this school usually fills up within the first 2 days of it opening.
eric, simon, phil, craig, cj, you guys better ALL sign up!

[Kinetic]

Jeremy you shouldnt run de2 ever again! youve been with the club for like 5 years now, new car or not you ARE skilled enough to remain in 3 or 4. big fish in small pond syndrome lame. im going to request to Mervin that he ban you from de2:clapper:



dan-

I agree that I shouldn't go back to 2....EXCEPT I haven't driven a RWD car at speed for over 5 years...... I would much rather step down to DE2 and learn the car @ a slower pace. I know the car is good, but I don't want to worry about going fast right off the bat in DE3.

As it is, I am going to ask Mervin to ride along and instruct, so I can get a better feel for the car faster.
If it was another FWD car then I would stay in DE3.....

[BlueTeg]

I'd love to say ill be there, but knowing my caR, itll let me down


What's wrong with it now? Did you fix your vtech?

[BlueTeg]

btw Im looking for a co-driver for the enduro race. you supply the tires, i supply the car.


Lets talk tonight. call me focker.

[topramn]

I'm considering doing the enduro with Paul but I'm concerned with costs. I can supply the tires but simply half the fuel costs and splitting the entry fee is going to add up to a pretty big bill. I honestly think after an hour I am going to be pretty bored driving around PIR. Thoughts?

Send out a few text messages while you are driving. If you would like, we were trying to figure out how far away a car would have to be to spit on it from start/finish. I could have them experiment each time your car comes around. You could think of it as "driving in the rain".

[Tage]

dan-

I agree that I shouldn't go back to 2....EXCEPT I haven't driven a RWD car at speed for over 5 years...... I would much rather step down to DE2 and learn the car @ a slower pace. I know the car is good, but I don't want to worry about going fast right off the bat in DE3.

As it is, I am going to ask Mervin to ride along and instruct, so I can get a better feel for the car faster.
If it was another FWD car then I would stay in DE3.....

Jeremy,

Get a big ass front sway bar for your S2K. In stock trim, that car is damn hard to not drive with wild oversteer or spin out. I'm not sure of all the makers of big front bars but anything less than fucking huge is going to be a waste of money. Get a Gendron or Comptech or something similar along those lines. They are all pricey but they are the only ones that have proven to work if you're still close to stock trim. If you get coilovers, they may pump up the front spring rate making the car a bit more drivable. S2K's are fun cars but they are certainly not for beginner drivers, especially those not familiar with RWD. Normally I'd just call you a pussy, but considering the car, I agree with your DE2 approach at least initially.

[JoshDC2]

Send out a few text messages while you are driving. If you would like, we were trying to figure out how far away a car would have to be to spit on it from start/finish. I could have them experiment each time your car comes around. You could think of it as "driving in the rain".

didnt one of the guys actually calculate that distance last event? we never tested it out though

[topramn]

didnt one of the guys actually calculate that distance last event? we never tested it out though

yes he did.. testing is required tho.. im calling mythbusters..

[Tage]

yes he did.. testing is required tho.. im calling mythbusters..

Agree that real world testing is needed. The vehicle speed can be calculated but the velocity of the spit and the wind is a variable that has to be tested to know for sure!

[cspcrx]

Im going to run Sunday in DE3 and hope they run a TA as well.

[Phantomeg]

btw Im looking for a co-driver for the enduro race. you supply the tires, i supply the car.
phil bang out comp school on saturday and co-drive with me on sunday. time to grow some!

Let me think about that one Dan...Not that it's not really tempting but the cost of the comp school, new helmet, hans, half the gas and tires...I'm not sure that even Robles money can stretch that far..

[fmx_dbc]

hey Dan please give me a break down on the comp school and what it entails/requires please. I wasn't aware that was something I should be looking into at this point, but you know what I want to do...race

[Tage]

My estimates:

Comp School: $350
Split the fuel costs (91 octane): $50
Split the entry fee: $50
Tires: $200-1000
HANS: $600-900
Suit: $400-1000
Various nomex crap: $50-200
SA Rated helmet: $250-400

That should be a drop in the bucket for "Robles money"...

P.S. Just use all that phat monies you're winning in TA!

P.P.S. For comp school I think you just need a typical HPDE vehicle to run the school. I believe one of the Sturla boys did the comp school in their Toyota Tundra many moons ago! LOL

[Kinetic]

Jeremy,

Get a big ass front sway bar for your S2K. In stock trim, that car is damn hard to not drive with wild oversteer or spin out. I'm not sure of all the makers of big front bars but anything less than fucking huge is going to be a waste of money. Get a Gendron or Comptech or something similar along those lines. They are all pricey but they are the only ones that have proven to work if you're still close to stock trim. If you get coilovers, they may pump up the front spring rate making the car a bit more drivable. S2K's are fun cars but they are certainly not for beginner drivers, especially those not familiar with RWD. Normally I'd just call you a pussy, but considering the car, I agree with your DE2 approach at least initially.

thanks for the heads up tage.....

I used to drive RWD quite a bit, the car I had before the Integra was a Supra turbo.....
I do have RWD experience, just not recent:thumbsdown:

As for being oversteer happy....it certainly is....I have gotten it loose several times already.....

I definately need new rear tires *cough* star specs *cough*
I will look into a sway bar fro the front

[dantana]

Let me think about that one Dan...Not that it's not really tempting but the cost of the comp school, new helmet, hans, half the gas and tires...I'm not sure that even Robles money can stretch that far..

tires- you already have some... both sets :)
helmet/hans-borrow
gas- $50
entry-$50
comp school $350- no deals available for this, even I paid full retail
race suit/ nomex gear-borrowed

we can get on the horn soon and track this shit down if you want, otherwise id say AT LEAST do the comp school
you and craig can both do it, you DO NOT need a race prepped car to be eligable, just showup with your rides and you can do it, $350 gets it done craig!

i have to do deny the tudra rumor, jeff did comp school in 02 @ amp and i did it a few years back at PIR in my civic with mando, patrick, and justin. cibola ran the comp school with SLASH!!!!

[fmx_dbc]

Hmm...

[topramn]

comp school = any car that passes tech, driver who has completed hpde1

[PhoenixB16]

not sure i can make it yet,might be in Sierra Vista for the weekend....

[ILIKETODRIVE]

Next year is my goal for comp. school, not this year.

Not enough $$$.

[BlueTeg]

i have to do deny the tudra rumor

Jeff did instructor school in his Tundra.

Larry Bobbe did it in his 78 Lincoln Towncar. FTW hahaha.

[dantana]

Jeff did instructor school in his Tundra.

Larry Bobbe did it in his 78 Lincoln Towncar. FTW hahaha.

helping teach the instructor school was one of the funnest and funniest days on track ever! instructors drove as if they were de-1 drivers and the instructor candidates had to teach. jeff drove 4x4 across 5-6, there were point bys with downshift speed ups, texting, rollin hard out with the arm out the window, pointing by on the wrong side, in the corners, it was really a bunch of laughs trying to top the other persons comedy. instructor candidates handled it all real well, except for the dood that got out of his car during a hot session to pick up a cone that was dragged on track, or the candidate who chrashed in nascar 4:clapper:

[topramn]

helping teach the instructor school was one of the funnest and funniest days on track ever! instructors drove as if they were de-1 drivers and the instructor candidates had to teach. jeff drove 4x4 across 5-6, there were point bys with downshift speed ups, texting, rollin hard out with the arm out the window, pointing by on the wrong side, in the corners, it was really a bunch of laughs trying to top the other persons comedy. instructor candidates handled it all real well, except for the dood that got out of his car during a hot session to pick up a cone that was dragged on track, or the candidate who chrashed in nascar 4:clapper:

i have to agree with you on this one.. that was some of the most comical shit i had even seen.. cant forget ryan in the hybrid taking turn 1 at an amazing 83mph.. hahaha.. and larry bobbe with gabe in the lincoln.. GOOD TIMES!

[JoshDC2]

i dont take turn 1 much faster than 83 lol

[dantana]

your giving up seconds there Josh!

[JoshDC2]

i havent been in an experienced drivers car on pir in like 6 months.
i need a ride along to get a feel for what i can do through there. 1-2 and nascar 3-4 are the spots i can tell im leaving a lot on the table

[topramn]

i havent been in an experienced drivers car on pir in like 6 months.
i need a ride along to get a feel for what i can do through there. 1-2 and nascar 3-4 are the spots i can tell im leaving a lot on the table

umm.. the best bet is too slowly build up your comfort level with turn 1.. next thing you know, you will be doing 100 into 1 without lifting..

[ILIKETODRIVE]

umm.. the best bet is too slowly build up your comfort level with turn 1.. next thing you know, you will be doing 100 into 1 without lifting..

Yup. I was doing 90 (+/-2) into 1. Tage drove my car for 1/2 a session and then I was doing 100 (+/-2).

Also, I don't lift in NASCAR 3-4 anymore. :thumbup:

It's seat time, confidence and knowledge about your cars limits.

[JoshDC2]

Yup. I was doing 90 (+/-2) into 1. Tage drove my car for 1/2 a session and then I was doing 100 (+/-2).

Also, I don't lift in NASCAR 3-4 anymore. :thumbup:

It's seat time, confidence and knowledge about your cars limits.

so you're flat footed all the way from T9 to T1?

[Kinetic]

so you're flat footed all the way from T9 to T1?


all the fast hondas are......this is why I am not fast......I 1/2 throttle the oval part

[Tage]

so you're flat footed all the way from T9 to T1?

Dude, drive at a level you're comfortable with. Speed will naturally come with time. However, I do agree that experiencing first hand what your car can do, can do wonders for confidence. In Simon's, car I didn't brake for T1 but I did do a slight lift. With a couple more laps in his car I'm sure his car could be flat out from T9 until half way through T1 and in the braking zone for T2.

[topramn]

all the fast hondas are......this is why I am not fast......I 1/2 throttle the oval part

are you kidding me?! you have more laps at PIR than some of the nascar drivers.. you should at least be flat footed in TA..

[Tage]

are you kidding me?! you have more laps at PIR than some of the nascar drivers.. you should at least be flat footed in TA..

Ramin, someday you'll actually *DRIVE* at an event and you'll see just how scary the oval and T1 is when you're WOT. :devil1:

[JoshDC2]

Ramin, someday you'll actually *DRIVE* at an event and you'll see just how scary the oval and T1 is when you're WOT. :devil1:

that was a little harsh i must say.
however a good point has ben brought up...

I was just wondering about nascar 3-4. i do it like .5 throttle and i must say my stock seat is not enough lol. Simon is a much more skill driver than i am. all seat time

[topramn]

Ramin, someday you'll actually *DRIVE* at an event and you'll see just how scary the oval and T1 is when you're WOT. :devil1:

point taken.. :but: i drive on fridays.. :wave1:

[SlowCivicHmm]

all the fast hondas are......this is why I am not fast......I 1/2 throttle the oval part

I thought I was the only honda @ 1/2 throttle.....

[Vtecracer]

I was taking that turn in 4th gear but had to feather the throttle because i was near 6500 rpms and would have to end up shifting in the oval which i do not want to do... i think with the new gearing i can flat foot nascar 3 in 5th gear all the way to T1. I was able to stay in vtec in 5th gear hence vtec point set at 3300 and having a truck block for torque helps... .hmmm torque in a Honda what???

[BlueTeg]

Dude, drive at a level you're comfortable with. Speed will naturally come with time. However, I do agree that experiencing first hand what your car can do, can do wonders for confidence.

:thumbup: :thumbup:

[Tage]

that was a little harsh i must say.
however a good point has ben brought up...

I was just wondering about nascar 3-4. i do it like .5 throttle and i must say my stock seat is not enough lol. Simon is a much more skill driver than i am. all seat time

I will state the obvious in the fact that email and internet forums do not do a good job at calling out sarcasm and/or dry humor. Those little smiley faces help but don't always get the point across or sometimes can get read wrong. Ramin is one of the coolest track whores I know and the fact that he doesn't drive (besides Fri which I didn't know about) makes him even cooler. He's so God like and usually right that he deserves respect regardless of how much seat time he has. But anyway...

Josh, try this trick:

1. Put your seat all the way back and recline it a bit
2. Grab your seat belt and pull it really fast so it locks (keep tension on it so it doesn't release)
3. Put your seat recline to the normal driving position
4. Lean your body into the belt to keep tension and ensure it stays locked
5. With one hand on the seat slider and the other on the steering wheel, mash your body as HARD as you can into your seat belt and release the seat slider

It takes a few tries to get it so that you're absolutely smashed against your seat with your seatbelt AND in comfortable driving position but when you get it, it works awesome and under normal performance driving you are NOT going to slide out of your seat. I've done it a few times so hard that I could barely breath and had to slide the seat back a couple ticks. :)

[JoshDC2]

hmm ill have to try that trick tage.

there is no denying ramin's god likeness
everything i said was in a playful manner. he knows that ;)

[topramn]

I will state the obvious in the fact that email and internet forums do not do a good job at calling out sarcasm and/or dry humor. Those little smiley faces help but don't always get the point across or sometimes can get read wrong. Ramin is one of the coolest track whores I know and the fact that he doesn't drive (besides Fri which I didn't know about) makes him even cooler. He's so God like and usually right that he deserves respect regardless of how much seat time he has. But anyway...

Josh, try this trick:

1. Put your seat all the way back and recline it a bit
2. Grab your seat belt and pull it really fast so it locks (keep tension on it so it doesn't release)
3. Put your seat recline to the normal driving position
4. Lean your body into the belt to keep tension and ensure it stays locked
5. With one hand on the seat slider and the other on the steering wheel, mash your body as HARD as you can into your seat belt and release the seat slider

It takes a few tries to get it so that you're absolutely smashed against your seat with your seatbelt AND in comfortable driving position but when you get it, it works awesome and under normal performance driving you are NOT going to slide out of your seat. I've done it a few times so hard that I could barely breath and had to slide the seat back a couple ticks. :)


:goodpost: For the record, I had no complaints in regards to your comment. In fact, I actually took it as an invite to come play which I hope to soon be able to do.

On another note, I definitely do NOT drive at full speed on fridays but I do test the track and do understand the areas where people lose speed and have no fear of letting them know that they are losing speed there. Especially for the guys who are really looking to better their times. By no means would I consider myself an experienced driver but that doesn't keep me from being knowledgable enough to help you guys out. Unfortunately for Tage, he has fully utilized everything that I can think of at the local tracks so he is on his own for better times.

[BlueTeg]

In fact, I actually took it as an invite to come play which I hope to soon be able to do. [/FONT]


:bananaman: :bananaman: :bananaman: :bananaman: :bananaman: :bananaman:

[JoshDC2]

man is anybody else ready for another event weekend already??

[PhoenixR]

if all goes according to plan, kent durkee and i will be co-driving/sorting my new car for the 4 hour enduro.

looking for anybody willing to help us out in the pits with refueling and a two-tire stop during the race.

dan, what's the bet this time? i think we're still owed steak dinners from last time. haha.

tony.

[topramn]

if all goes according to plan, kent durkee and i will be co-driving/sorting my new car for the 4 hour enduro.

looking for anybody willing to help us out in the pits with refueling and a two-tire stop during the race.

dan, what's the bet this time? i think we're still owed steak dinners from last time. haha.

tony.

think i can pour gas from control? if so, count me in!

anybody who wants to help kent and tony, be advised of the following requirements..

Fueler : Must be in a fire/driver suit and must have a second person with a fire bottle on standby for any incidents.
All Pit Staff: Cannot go over the wall until car comes to complete stop.

[SlowCivicHmm]

dang..I'd be sooo down to pit!! grrr

[ILIKETODRIVE]

x2

Count me in as a tire guy!

PS - I just tried to sign up for Sunday DE3 and it said registration was closed at the moment. WTF?

[fmx_dbc]

Updated on my ride - I will most likely NOT be driving this event now, due to an unforseen engine failure. Will definitely need new pistons and rods, probably a new block or sleeves. Tearing it apart this week to figure out what happened and go from there. Hopefully my head isn't screwed up.

[PhoenixB16]

WHAT? Do tell Craig. Im going to miss the event due to the fact that ill be in Sierra Vista with the females family.Thats the one thing that blows about T Day events.... Some of us have prior obligations.... Will also be missing the Sedona event now as well.

[fmx_dbc]

drag strip = fail
What I had thought was valve noise turned into a real bad knock after a few passes through the 1/4 mile trap in 3rd gear near 8k rpm. Tried to limp the car home from Speedworld...long damn drive with lots of lights. They motor gave out about 25 miles from home. I hope I shut it down and put it in neutral before anythig catastrophic happened. Sounded like the piston skirt broke or the cylinder sleeve busted. Then I had to get towed by a tweeking tow truck driver! Scary ass ride!

[PhoenixB16]

what did it run? lol

[SlowCivicHmm]

^^^ fukkkin brett!!

sorry to hear craig..

[JoshDC2]

i knew there was a reason i havent taken my new engine to drags...

sorry man

[fmx_dbc]

the best I ran was the first pass a like 14.6. I was strugglig with traction and every pass after the first got slower...imagine that.
Wanted to take it cause I ran 14.4 with the other cams and LS tranny. I was hoping to hit the 13s. I will next time!

[fmx_dbc]

anyone know where to find a cheap B20 short block?

[PhoenixB16]

i knew there was a reason i havent taken my new engine to drags...

sorry man

Your will be fine for some sweet mid 15s Josh. It will be fine. I want to take the bucket out,but the odometer scares me.Id dance a jig if it ran 14s again without popping. Who knows,I might have to head out there with Ant sometime soon here...I want to burn some GSR's. lol

[PhoenixB16]

anyone know where to find a cheap B20 short block?

will keep an eye out. Or just throw a fucking b16 shorty in there for the time being.

[fmx_dbc]

thought about it...will it work well with my gsr head?

[PhoenixB16]

itll work fine. i think it ups the compression a bit too.......For 300 or whatever they go for its a smart move to get the car on the road for low $$$$ IMHO....That and im a b16 nazi....

[fmx_dbc]

itll work fine. i think it ups the compression a bit too.......For 300 or whatever they go for its a smart move to get the car on the road for low $$$$ IMHO....That and im a b16 nazi....

Haha nice sig. by the way! I might do that. I think my brother just picked up a B16 block in trade for his Ksports so I could be in luck. I just gotta wait 2 weeks until he and tony get back from Mexico. He's probably going to wanna charge me full price too knowing kent...no breaks or favors for his brother LOL... :smirk:

[PhoenixB16]

fucking Kent. Do not pay more than 300.As far as the sig,I hate b18C1's.I think they are over rated and over priced.Ive had to many fools with them flap their gums,only to get smacked down by a 2400lb EM1 with a 110k+ B16.Hell,I bet it dosent make more than 160/110 as it sits....In my 1000 or so drag strip runs over the years,Ive yet to have one impress me that wasnt boosted...... B16s are indestructable,and dirt cheap.. No offense to anyone here that has a C1............Just not my cup of tea....

[fmx_dbc]

fucking Kent. Do not pay more than 300.As far as the sig,I hate b18C1's.I think they are over rated and over priced.Ive had to many fools with them flap their gums,only to get smacked down by a 2400lb EM1 with a 110k+ B16.Hell,I bet it dosent make more than 160/110 as it sits....In my 1000 or so drag strip runs over the years,Ive yet to have one impress me that wasnt boosted...... B16s are indestructable,and dirt cheap.. No offense to anyone here that has a C1............Just not my cup of tea....

You make a good point. From a resale perspective it seems people want top dollar for a usdm gsr motor when it's only ok at best. It's not some über good or rare engine and should be priced accordingly

My 2

[SlowCivicHmm]

fucking Kent. Do not pay more than 300.As far as the sig,I hate b18C1's.I think they are over rated and over priced.Ive had to many fools with them flap their gums,only to get smacked down by a 2400lb EM1 with a 110k+ B16.Hell,I bet it dosent make more than 160/110 as it sits....In my 1000 or so drag strip runs over the years,Ive yet to have one impress me that wasnt boosted...... B16s are indestructable,and dirt cheap.. No offense to anyone here that has a C1............Just not my cup of tea....

I have yet to find me a cheap b16 in my budget...LOL

[JoshDC2]

Your will be fine for some sweet mid 15s Josh. It will be fine. I want to take the bucket out,but the odometer scares me.Id dance a jig if it ran 14s again without popping. Who knows,I might have to head out there with Ant sometime soon here...I want to burn some GSR's. lol

hahaaha
i did a 15.3 i think with the ls/v doing 165hp
guess who cant drag race
<------ THIS GUY!

[ILIKETODRIVE]

I went 14.94 @ 91 (2.0 60'). B18B with a stock intake, ITR 4-1 header, ITR exhaust, 98+ ITR trans and 205/55-14 drag radials.

PS - B18B > B16A

[JoshDC2]

I went 14.94 @ 91 (2.0 60'). B18B with a stock intake, ITR 4-1 header, ITR exhaust, 98+ ITR trans and 205/55-14 drag radials.
I'm terrible at drag racing

PS - B18B > B16A
This could get ugly lol

[SlowCivicHmm]

wow....

My best time on my DOHC ZC was 16.4 @ 89.9mph w/a 2.1 60ft..........explain that!!!! lol

[SlowCivicHmm]

SOHC > all lol JK JK

[Tage]

anyone know where to find a cheap B20 short block?

Hey Craig, you should check out this website called "AZHT". :hello:

It's full of broke ass fools :drunk: who want top dollar when they sell but play the victim when they sell and get lowballed. It's a pretty amusing site overall. Your best bet and deals are most likely to happen towards the end of the month or around the holidays when rent is due and there's baby mama drama going on.

Hey look at the date! You might be in luck... LOL

P.S. IMO, track days are WAY harder on engines than drag racing. Drag racing is definitely harder on drivetrain though.

[fmx_dbc]

Hmmm I need a motor

[fmx_dbc]

Hey Craig, you should check out this website called "AZHT". :hello:

It's full of broke ass fools :drunk: who want top dollar when they sell but play the victim when they sell and get lowballed. It's a pretty amusing site overall. Your best bet and deals are most likely to happen towards the end of the month or around the holidays when rent is due and there's baby mama drama going on.

Hey look at the date! You might be in luck... LOL

P.S. IMO, track days are WAY harder on engines than drag racing. Drag racing is definitely harder on drivetrain though.

Haha thanks Tage, I needed a good laugh! I'm scouring whatever posts I can find for a replacement...

[SlowCivicHmm]

I got a bare ass LS block........we had it to send to be sleeved for a friend no nothing if that helps though..

ummmm obo?? lol

[fmx_dbc]

I got a bare ass LS block........we had it to send to be sleeved for a friend no nothing if that helps though..

ummmm obo?? lol

So it has no sleeves?
It might help... I know I'll need new pistons and rods and probably new sleeves but will know this week. I'm gonna have it torn down for a bit...sell my Konis, get the new coilovers, then build a killer motor...I think that's my plan just because the motor build will be a little costly I think. I also need to pick up a LSD and have Tage go through my trans and install it.

[BlueTeg]

ugggh, don't get a B20 block for the track. :(

Stick with a B16 or B18c.

[JoshDC2]

ugggh, don't get a B20 block for the track. :(

Stick with a B16 or B18c.

hey i have a b20 block :(

;)

[PhoenixR]

there's really no downside to running a b20.

there's no replacement for displacement.

[JoshDC2]

just the not quite as good geometry on the rotational assembly. and the weak stock rod bolts. and that the cylinder walls are the same size as the ls but have more explosion going on inside them.

But when you are short money you can pick up a complete b20b from japan land for 600.

like me :)

[fmx_dbc]

ugggh, don't get a B20 block for the track. :(

Stick with a B16 or B18c.

Any particular reasons not to go B20/Vtec?
What are the problems with the b20 block?
More displacement = more power
It's basically the same as my late LS/Vtec from what I know...right?

[JoshDC2]

look one post up ;)

[Vtecracer]

Hey now, i am running a b20B/vtec and even though it has NO modifications to it.. including a cast iron exhaust manifold the car still whipped up almost 160 hp and 130 tq. If you dont over rev the motor they will be ok. On the other hand...ask tage all about the b20 power and torque and i think you will find it to be a fine track motor...if taken care of.

[fmx_dbc]

Tage, please help kill the rumors that a B20/Vtec is not a good track motor LOL
If you can, I would like to know of any possible shortcomings to be aware of with it...besides what Josh mentioned

[JoshDC2]

Hey now, i am running a b20B/vtec and even though it has NO modifications to it.. including a cast iron exhaust manifold the car still whipped up almost 160 hp and 130 tq. If you dont over rev the motor they will be ok. On the other hand...ask tage all about the b20 power and torque and i think you will find it to be a fine track motor...if taken care of.

they make power i know.
oh and i forgot to mention the lack of oil squirters.

and i agree that if they are taken care of and you dont rev the piss out of them they will hold up.

most all of the bad differences only matter at high rpms. so you just have to account for that.

I'm a pureist however. If i ever take the b20 out to but in a built motor it will be with all vtec parts.

but as you said the b20vtec can be a fine track motor as long as you realize the various strengths and weaknesses of it

[BlueTeg]

If you dont over rev the motor they will be ok.

On the other hand...ask tage all about the b20 power and torque and i think you will find it to be a fine track motor...if taken care of.

That's the problem. If you keep the 6800 rpm redline you have to shift as soon as the party starts. :( Unless you're running a stock GSR or B16a cam, the VTEC cam profiles don't start to come alive until 6000 rpms and will usually run out of breath around 8000-9000rpms. If you keep the stock redline you've got an 800rpm powerband? boo. If you rev it to 8k (or higher) like the head and cams want you to, sure you'll make great power but the reliability just isn't there. If you don't care about rebuilding a new engine once a year then ignore my post. But I feel like most of the Honda guys value reliability over power.

LOL, Tage blew up like 4 of those B20/vtecs, some of them were B20 blocks, some were B18 blocks that had been bored to 84/85mm, all of those things were built to gills, not like the mild builds you guys are talking about. Have you seen his signature on the AX board? LOL, he didn't switch to the K motors because they were less reliable or more work to maintain.....

[BlueTeg]

hey i have a b20 block :(

;)


Yours is a nonvtec w/ stock redline. You're okay.

[dantana]

josh you kinda breeze over their poor geometry... its kinda a big deal creating a huge weakness in the rod. ive never seen anyone run a b20 vtec for an extended period of time on track with stock sleeves and see it hold up, including myself (2000). 100% OEM b20/vtec 192/144whp, i even had an old user name b20bastard rorZ!

sleeves are not the same as LS (b20=84mm LS) (LS=81mm LS)

Tony is right on the no down side, assuming the motor is built for racing. $$$

Ive blown up my share of motors, ITR, LSvtecs, b20vtecs, b16s, tony is good and poppin them too!

***edit, they are fast as hell and will work a b16 car any day...assuming they finish the day***
going fast aint cheap!

[SlowCivicHmm]

RIP the B20bastard!!! lol


I remember the old stories Dan.....oh man!!!!!! the stories....aka Hermosa house.....why the fuk didn't I drink more with ya'll?? lol

[jeff@loooseboyracing.com]

Fueler : Must be in a fire/driver suit and must have a second person with a fire bottle on standby for any incidents.
All Pit Staff: Cannot go over the wall until car comes to complete stop.

noodles- do cars have to be turned OFF for refueling
please clarify-

[topramn]

noodles- do cars have to be turned OFF for refueling
please clarify-

not sure on that but i think the last couple times that was a requirement.. i will clarify and post asap..

[fmx_dbc]

so what are we talking about for longevity on a b20/vtec? Sleeves, rods & bolts? Coatings?
Found a b20b4 complete short block for $250 and thinking about going to look at it

[dantana]

sleeves, rods, rod bolts, pistons and a block girdle will get you started. but if your gonna sleeve you might as well get an ls block and save the b20 premium.
if you can pick it up for that cheap, just enjoy it being cheap and worry about building a motor when that one pops. btw, do you know how to check bearings without tearing it apart? put your thumbs on the piston and try and twist the piston in the cyl. it shouldnt move at all. loose motors will have some play to them.

[BlueTeg]

sleeves, rods, rod bolts, pistons and a block girdle will get you started. but if your gonna sleeve you might as well get an ls block and save the b20 premium.


Thats $1600 worth of parts....minimum. Labor excluded.
Then throw in another $300 to get it tuned.

Get something cheap and just run that. Don't worry about having the fastest car out there. Your brother rocks the sohc and turns some great times. IMO its much better to buy (and run) something thats within your means so that you can just go out to the track (consistently) and have fun. If you can get that B20 block cheap (less than 600) just use that and don't rev past the stock redline. Or find a stock GSR or B16 short block in good condition and call it a day.

[iApex]

Thats $1600 worth of parts....minimum. Labor excluded.
Then throw in another $300 to get it tuned.

Get something cheap and just run that. Don't worry about having the fastest car out there. Your brother rocks the sohc and turns some great times. IMO its much better to buy (and run) something thats within your means so that you can just go out to the track (consistently) and have fun. If you can get that B20 block cheap (less than 600) just use that and don't rev past the stock redline. Or find a stock GSR or B16 short block in good condition and call it a day.


Smart man....

[Vtecracer]

Josh... i have on my engine stand right now a b20z bored to 84.5 with endyn mid-dome rollerwave pistons and eagle rods. itr oil and water pumps and arp head, rod, and crank bolts. The motor is also getting a new baffled oil pan, all new gaskets, it was shaved .006 and a z10 block girdle. The block should be good for around 9000 rpms at the most. I would just shift it at 8250 with a gsr head on itr cams .. should be good for about 190-200 whp maybe 205 with some stage 2 cams. The motor will run on hondata and run 12:1 compression. I would not run the motor up to 9000 anytime soon.. 8250 would be my redline and i would plan on shifting before then. Right now i am shifting at 7000 rpms on my b20b but i have vtec engaged at 3300 rpms.. for some reason the motor i have really liked vtec coming on that early and that is when she started making power on the dyno.

give me a call to discuss sometime.. oh and by the way... this is tage's spare... sorry tage... i bought it when his blew up..in fact the weekend his blew up i already had his spare....

[JoshDC2]

Josh... give me a call to discuss sometime..

sounds good. that is a great combo of parts. and i think there are alot things that help the reliablitly. but we can talk more on it.

[ILIKETODRIVE]

Get something cheap and just run that. Don't worry about having the fastest car out there. Your brother rocks the sohc and turns some great times. IMO its much better to buy (and run) something thats within your means so that you can just go out to the track (consistently) and have fun. If you can get that B20 block cheap (less than 600) just use that and don't rev past the stock redline. Or find a stock GSR or B16 short block in good condition and call it a day.

x-muthafuckin-2. I have a blast in my LS-powered bucket. Heck, even Tage had fun driving it.

I know that Dan still says that my EF hatch was one of the funnest low-powered cars he's driven thanks to the transmission I had in it.

IMO, it's not about being the fastest when you're below DE4/TT, it's about having the most bang-for-your-buck fun at the track.

PS - I'm planning on doing a few mods that will actually (technically) make my car SLOWER. Thanks goes to Tage for this one. You guys will find out why when I move to DE4/TT. ;)

[Tage]

Josh... i have on my engine stand right now a b20z bored to 84.5 with endyn mid-dome rollerwave pistons and eagle rods. itr oil and water pumps and arp head, rod, and crank bolts. The motor is also getting a new baffled oil pan, all new gaskets, it was shaved .006 and a z10 block girdle. The block should be good for around 9000 rpms at the most. I would just shift it at 8250 with a gsr head on itr cams .. should be good for about 190-200 whp maybe 205 with some stage 2 cams. The motor will run on hondata and run 12:1 compression. I would not run the motor up to 9000 anytime soon.. 8250 would be my redline and i would plan on shifting before then. Right now i am shifting at 7000 rpms on my b20b but i have vtec engaged at 3300 rpms.. for some reason the motor i have really liked vtec coming on that early and that is when she started making power on the dyno.

give me a call to discuss sometime.. oh and by the way... this is tage's spare... sorry tage... i bought it when his blew up..in fact the weekend his blew up i already had his spare....

/\ Killer setup right here. I used to run my 2.0L engine up to 9000RPM consistently and sometimes if I didn't feel like shifting to 9400RPM. Of course I also spun a couple rod bearings revving that high. I started shifting at 8000-8400RPM and the last motor lasted over 2 years doing this. The only reason the last one failed was because I reused and some over-stretched rod bolts ("note to self" never reuse rod bolts...).

[comptonasskerry]

dood to be able to have fun wit a b20v setup is going to cost u man. just get a b16 or grs block. better for just gettin it put together and not having to do a bunch to it.the b20 vtec is one of the motors that i actually spent time and looked into and it just wasnt cost effective unless u build it. if u want to spend that much cash then do it man lots of power can be made. but it will end up costin u some pretty good coin.but like it was said before ur bro has a stock sohc and he is killin it. i think the best would be to not mess around with a bunch of motor buildin crap and spend the money on gettin out on track.

[SlowCivicHmm]

^^^^ SEAT TIME x2.....

[PhoenixB16]

I went 14.94 @ 91 (2.0 60'). B18B with a stock intake, ITR 4-1 header, ITR exhaust, 98+ ITR trans and 205/55-14 drag radials.

PS - B18B > B16A

14.59 at 95.9 here.. i.h.e test pipe and skunk2s1..( got CTR now)..Not bad for a b16... Id rather have your motor than a b18c1.....Your car is LIGHT AS HELL though Simon. I just wish I had the TQ you have.Dont make me break out the ATS 4.9 bitches..............

[dantana]

I know that Dan still says that my EF hatch was one of the funnest low-powered cars he's driven thanks to the transmission I had in it.


funnest overall, hp aside!
second only to a 400hp s2000 with like a 6.0 FD! (not a low hp car at all)

i want a tranny like you had simon, that thing was one wicken sohc!

[PhoenixB16]

Where's mah biatches?

[fmx_dbc]

Sup
I'm thinking about slappin on the b20 and building up my b18b block

[PhoenixB16]

Nigga you like spending green huh?

[SlowCivicHmm]

I only smoke green not spend it!! lol

So brett no sedona...I mgiht be joining you on the east side then...who knows...

[PhoenixB16]

No Sedona.Going to chill with the wife and do some fishing I think.And turn in 1000000000000000000000000000 more apps.

[dantana]

Going to chill with the wife


wait what?:clapper:

[JoshDC2]

wait what?:clapper:

i think its more like"wife"

[ILIKETODRIVE]

funnest overall, hp aside!
second only to a 400hp s2000 with like a 6.0 FD! (not a low hp car at all)

i want a tranny like you had simon, that thing was one wicken sohc!

Have you driven/riden in Gabe's car now that he has Tage's old trans? Mine will be very similar gearing to that soon. :tongue:

[fmx_dbc]

Nigga you like spending green huh?

Something I've always been good at
...might as well enjoy it

[Tage]

Have you driven/riden in Gabe's car now that he has Tage's old trans? Mine will be very similar gearing to that soon. :tongue:

*Similar* but NOT the same. That 5th gear was pretty much a one off that I don't think you'll see duplicated by pretty much anyone.

My KSeries 3rd to 4th gear shift is pretty bad ass too.

[BlueTeg]

Mine will be very similar gearing to that soon. :tongue:

What choo got cookin?

[topramn]

What choo got cookin?

SOUP!! none for you tho..

[ILIKETODRIVE]

*Similar* but NOT the same. That 5th gear was pretty much a one off that I don't think you'll see duplicated by pretty much anyone.

Correct. I'm doing the closest 5th I can without doing a custom gear.

[riceboy88]

SOUP!! none for you tho..

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b222/ek9lovr88/48210335_5_Wl4J.jpg

[SlowCivicHmm]

^^ love that show..

[fmx_dbc]

the Soup Nazi!!

[BlueTeg]

Correct. I'm doing the closest 5th I can without doing a custom gear.

b16a/usdmR 5th + jdm FD?

[JoshDC2]

b16a/usdmR 5th + jdm FD?

cable us 5th i believe

[SlowCivicHmm]

Joser Update....

Car has azenis....car is aligned...car is stripped.....new seat is in...sits a lil too high for my taste though....

Front:
-3.0 Camber
1/16 Toe Out per side
+3.5 Caster

Rear:
-2.5 Camber
0 Toe

MAN was it a bitch putting in the Skunk2 arms...I dunno why......I tried flipping them and they wouldn't go in...I have no idea why....its STUPID!! lol....

oh oh....axles seal/leak/bad axle is fixed!! (THX JOSH! for the ride)

I just need to make a rad overflow can/bottle.....& a major WASH/CLEAN!!! Maybe an oil pan gasket since I have oil all over...I need to clean it and see where its coming from....I did the rear main and still find fresh oil..not alot...but stilll.....

[ILIKETODRIVE]

b16a/usdmR 5th + jdm FD?

cable us 5th i believe

Josh is right. Cable GSR is .875, while B16/ITR is .848 for 5th. Plus, I'm doing GSR 2nd and keeping my 4.785 FD. 118mph top speed FTW.

[JoshDC2]

118mph top speed FTW.

jesus man.

[ILIKETODRIVE]

jesus man.

I got 5 gears and I want to use as much of each one as I can!

[JoshDC2]

I got 5 gears and I want to use as much of each one as I can!

thats true lol.
so when are you rebuilding your trans?

[ILIKETODRIVE]

thats true lol.
so when are you rebuilding your trans?

Well...talked to Tage tonight about a situation he has with a customer (needs my GSR 4th) so I'm starting it tomorrow night!

[SlowCivicHmm]

and Simon...when u done wanna do mine?? lol

good luck....shifting into 5th at that top speed will be insane!!

[woody55]

118mph top speed FTW.

Won't you run out of gear at the end of the straight and both PIR and FIR main with that low a top speed?

I ran out of gear at Cal Speedway when I had the 4.9 final drive in my Integra in H4 trim... it sucked to be at redline in 5th and have all the other cars pass you by cause you cant go any faster... I know Cal Speedway is much bigger and faster than PIR or FIR but it sucks donkey balls to run out of gear and I'm going to make sure that never happends again!

[BlueTeg]

I was thinking the same thing. ^

I think he'll probably be okay at PIR based on his engine and momentum he carries through the oval.....for now. As he gets better, adds R comps, adds power I think he may run out of gear at PIR too. I think you will definitely run out of gear at FIR. Don't even get me started on your cruising rpm on the freeway. I'm considering having Tage put a GSR 5th gear in my DD tranny. The stock Si 5th gear hums at 4500 rpms at 80mph FTL. :(

I've glanced a few times at my speedo (SiR) towards the end of the straight and its wrapped out at 190kph (~114 mph). Not sure how accurate it is at that speed (probably not very) and not sure how fast I am going before I actually lift and touch the brakes before T1.

[JoshDC2]

adds R comps.

he has r comps....

he just needs mo rpms

[dantana]

good luck....shifting into 5th at that top speed will be insane!!


yes it is:bananaman:

[PhoenixB16]

I was thinking the same thing. ^

I think he'll probably be okay at PIR based on his engine and momentum he carries through the oval.....for now. As he gets better, adds R comps, adds power I think he may run out of gear at PIR too. I think you will definitely run out of gear at FIR. Don't even get me started on your cruising rpm on the freeway. I'm considering having Tage put a GSR 5th gear in my DD tranny. The stock Si 5th gear hums at 4500 rpms at 80mph FTL. :(

I've glanced a few times at my speedo (SiR) towards the end of the straight and its wrapped out at 190kph (~114 mph). Not sure how accurate it is at that speed (probably not very) and not sure how fast I am going before I actually lift and touch the brakes before T1.

Its an Si Gabe,dont bastardize it. LOL ;) You shoulda seen mine with the ATS 4.9.I was running out of gear at FIR Main as well.Its fun,but gas milage blew ass and the constant droning on the highway blew.

[riceboy88]

The stock Si 5th gear hums at 4500 rpms at 80mph FTL. :(

hahaha i remember those days

[dantana]

Its an Si Gabe,dont bastardize it. LOL ;) You shoulda seen mine with the ATS 4.9.I was running out of gear at FIR Main as well.Its fun,but gas milage blew ass and the constant droning on the highway blew.

at least let me BORROW that trans if you wont sell it!:boxer:
i wana see what 110 feels like BEFORE the oval!:bananaman:

[ILIKETODRIVE]

Even if I carried more speed through the oval than I do now, I'd only hit about 110mph after start/finish. I have a stock LS longblock with only a couple of OEM upgrades (ITR intake arm/header/exhaust).

I figure that at FIR Main I'll be close to topping out the car but I don't think I'll hit over 115mph.

Don't worry, I already did the math and whatnot on this. If I had to, I could take 5th to 7500 (fuel-cut) and that would give me another 5mph. Also, my plan is to sell this trans by next summer (maybe with a 4.4 FD and sell the 4.785 seperately) when I move on/up to TT. I'll be spec'ing the car for TT-F so I'll be using an LS trans/4.9 FD/Kaaz LSD anyhow. :tongue:

[topramn]

Even if I carried more speed through the oval than I do now, I'd only hit about 110mph after start/finish. I have a stock LS longblock with only a couple of OEM upgrades (ITR intake arm/header/exhaust).

I figure that at FIR Main I'll be close to topping out the car but I don't think I'll hit over 115mph.

Don't worry, I already did the math and whatnot on this. If I had to, I could take 5th to 7500 (fuel-cut) and that would give me another 5mph. Also, my plan is to sell this trans by next summer (maybe with a 4.4 FD and sell the 4.785 seperately) when I move on/up to TT. I'll be spec'ing the car for TT-F so I'll be using an LS trans/4.9 FD/Kaaz LSD anyhow. :tongue:

look at this guy! building towards one class already.. if i ever pull my head out of my rear, i will build my ef hatch for h2 with no thoughts of pt in mind.. personally, i dont see the point in double classing..

[ILIKETODRIVE]

I just finished the trans. I used the 4.4 FD so that I can recoup some funds by selling the 4.785 FD. :clap:

[JoshDC2]

I just finished the trans. I used the 4.4 FD so that I can recoup some funds by selling the 4.785 FD. :clap:

did you figure out what was up with 2nd gear

[ILIKETODRIVE]

did you figure out what was up with 2nd gear

Hammered 2nd gear dog teeth and beat up 1-2 syncro sleeve due to a bent 1-2 fork. No BS! Waaay bent. I'm guessing the 6-puck unsprung clutch beat up the trans in general. ACT Modified Street Disc is in now instead. :)

2-3 and 4-5 shifts are AAAMAZING! Sooo much more fun and usable overall. :thumbup:

[PhoenixB16]

I have seen those clutches wreak all sorts of havoc.

[riceboy88]

well guys i was planning on doing DE1 but due to some things(not having the money cuz i had to spend some of it and my hours got cut at work) i wont be getting on the track this time around. but hopefully be out there sunday to watch

[JoshDC2]

tage-
what happened to your car on saturday at east?

[Tage]

tage-
what happened to your car on saturday at east?

Oh, was that you working the gate?

I'm not exactly sure. Coming off that turn I hit the gas and there was nothing (and I had a check engine light). I figured I wouldn't make it around the course so at that point I had two choices. Either turn left towards the gate or go right which would be the wrong way from the normal flow of grid. Obviously I choose to go towards the gate. Turning the car off and then back on again got the car moving well enough to get around the track and back into the pits. Pulling the data logs I had two problems.

#1 - Idle air control valve

#2 - Low voltage on ECU

#1 was pretty damn random but whatever. #2, I'm puzzled on. I have a small battery and that error code pops up sometimes after the car has been sitting for a long time and the first time I go to start the car but it's never happened while driving. Esstentially it put me in limp mode though hence the reason I had no power when I had the engine at full song. I cleared the codes and checked the voltage and wiring and everything was fine. No clue... At least I have continued my perfect record of NEVER having a track day w/o some sort of problem! :)

[JoshDC2]

i was wondering . yea that was me at the gate.
weird stuff...

[topramn]

bump!

[EG6-DC2]

So I take it, that the Time attack will be on Saturday this event? If we even have one, right?

[fmx_dbc]

...this thread was dead for a while...let's breathe new life into it.
The event is rapidly approaching!
I need a breather box/system for a B16 if anyone has one. Also I need B16 timing belt covers now LOL.
I probably won't be ready for the event but I need to get the car back on the road ASAP.
5 MPG in the big Ford SUCKS!!!!

[JoshDC2]

do we know which day is de2 and which day is de3?

[ILIKETODRIVE]

I told you biatch: DE3 Saturday (and Sunday if you sign up for DE2), DE2 Sunday.

When you go to the NASA AZ regional site to register, it will tell you everything.

[JoshDC2]

yup i got registered and everything just a minute ago, teh OP has non updated schedule.

i really want to get a beaks kit before the event!

[EG6-DC2]

Have you sold that dizzy yet, Josh?

[ILIKETODRIVE]

What dizzy?

[EG6-DC2]

Josh has a GSR one that he is selling.

[fmx_dbc]

...this thread was dead for a while...let's breathe new life into it.
The event is rapidly approaching!
I need a breather box/system for a B16 if anyone has one. Also I need B16 timing belt covers now LOL.
I probably won't be ready for the event but I need to get the car back on the road ASAP.
5 MPG in the big Ford SUCKS!!!!

Bump for a fresh page

[yosshaa]

ugggh, don't get a B20 block for the track. :(

Stick with a B16 or B18c.

f that torque ftw!

:boxer:

[JoshDC2]

Josh has a GSR one that he is selling.

im supposed to be meeting the guy that its pending to today to sell it.
Why? buddy in VA needs a dizzy too lol :P
If it doesnt go through today itll be on the open market agian. :)

[EG6-DC2]

No, I would take it for myself. Can't beat having a spare Dizzy sitting around. Besides, I might need it for the new motor for the other car. I might have been able to provide a beaks kit too!

[JoshDC2]

No, I would take it for myself. Can't beat having a spare Dizzy sitting around. Besides, I might need it for the new motor for the other car. I might have been able to provide a beaks kit too!

hmmmmmmmm

can you provide beaks kit?
plus like 20 or 30?
thats all too tempting!!

[EG6-DC2]

I would have to check my resources.

[JoshDC2]

I would have to check my resources.

well if this doenst go through ill let you know

[JoshDC2]

so who all has registered so far?

[Agent Smith]

not going :( I'll be at firebird all weekend...

[KevinBoosted]

gonna be the first time im on the track. was hoping to get a hatch, but ill be starting de1 with the eclipse. i hope i got beginners luck, only gonna be running 24ish psi though to try and compensate for turbo lag....oh noes!

[dantana]

i hope i got beginners luck, only gonna be running 24ish psi though to try and compensate for turbo lag....oh noes!

:ballin: only 24psi
there are a lot of fast cars in de1, better watch your mirrors:thumbsup:

[fmx_dbc]

damn...I was going to say you don't need a fast car for DE1. It's all about learning your lines and not running into anyone.

[JoshDC2]

im still only running 0psi at full throttle.

maybe even something like 1 or 2 inHg, possible vaccuum leak.

[SlowCivicHmm]

im still only running 0psi at full throttle.

maybe even something like 1 or 2 inHg, possible vaccuum leak.

que??? lol :goodpost:

[JoshDC2]

que??? lol :goodpost:

i probably have a small vaccuum leak. although that wouldnt really lead to me having 1 or 2 inHg vac at full throttle. o well

i was just making a point damnit.

im itching for track time

[KevinBoosted]

its not that fast...... :) its still a full weight street car though so well see what happens, my friend told me i cant pass in de1 lol

alright who wants to give me a ride along? i still wanna build a eg track slut just short on money for the holidays so if anyone wants to give me a ride in one so i can get an idea of what its gonna be like that would be pretty sweet. and im still brandy new to nasa so i have no idea what im in for

[JoshDC2]

its not that fast...... :) its still a full weight street car though so well see what happens, my friend told me i cant pass in de1 lol

alright who wants to give me a ride along? i still wanna build a eg track slut just short on money for the holidays so if anyone wants to give me a ride in one so i can get an idea of what its gonna be like that would be pretty sweet. and im still brandy new to nasa so i have no idea what im in for

there is controled passing in DE1. on the main straights.
eg's on track... jose, tage, gabe, brett(now ;) ), old man phill, nolan(sometimes), ect. lol

[dantana]

there is controled passing in DE1. on the main straights.
eg's on track... jose, tage, gabe, brett(now ;) ), old man phill, nolan(sometimes), ect. lol

damn Josh, you forgot about the 2 that started it all :pissed:
btw, i gave you a damn avatar on LB racing and you havent posted since!:hithead:

[SlowCivicHmm]

damn Josh, you forgot about the 2 that started it all :pissed:
btw, i gave you a damn avatar on LB racing and you havent posted since!:hithead:

haha, if they ever show up together.....plus H2/PT they don't have passenger seats.....TT don't allow passengers....and you'll be kicked from DE3 if you don't play niiice........lol..... \m/

[KevinBoosted]

so should i just bring my helmet around the pits and ask for rides or is there a list i need to put my name on? ill be there both days but i think de1 is only racing saturday, unless i can get hoped up to de2 somehow

[SlowCivicHmm]

^^^ its better to ask for ride alongs with people you know....even though most track peeps will hook ya up........most of the honda crowd hang together for the most part...just hang by tech...we'll get you squared away bro.....

[ILIKETODRIVE]

I went out with Gabe at FIR West. Granted, that was technically DE4/TT practice but still...

PS - my car pwnz old ass Phil

PSS - I give ride alongs to strippers only

[JoshDC2]

damn Josh, you forgot about the 2 that started it all :pissed:
btw, i gave you a damn avatar on LB racing and you havent posted since!:hithead:

well ive never even meet the two people who started it lol.
you guys were MIA when i started.

i havent posted on there i know :(
i need to make ammends

[ILIKETODRIVE]

well ive never even meet the two people who started it lol.
you guys were MIA when i started.

i havent posted on there i know :(
i need to make ammends

NO EXCUSES!!!

:whip: :whip: :whip:

[JoshDC2]

NO EXCUSES!!!

:whip: :whip: :whip:

i know i am a terrible person lol

[KevinBoosted]

^^^ its better to ask for ride alongs with people you know....even though most track peeps will hook ya up........most of the honda crowd hang together for the most part...just hang by tech...we'll get you squared away bro.....

thats the thing...i barely know anyone lol i know john who drives the subaru 2.5, im good friends with chrsitoph and tony from ums, trial by fire, and jake who im sure some of you guys know as the automatic 3g black/white eclipse but thats about it. if we had more azawd going id hang with them but since wanting to buy a eg track slut im trying to get to know the honda now lol ill hang around tech though, i appreciate all the help i can get and looking forward to getting in the scene and meeting everyone

[JoshDC2]

thats the thing...i barely know anyone lol i know john who drives the subaru 2.5, im good friends with chrsitoph and tony from ums, trial by fire, and jake who im sure some of you guys know as the automatic 3g black/white eclipse but thats about it. if we had more azawd going id hang with them but since wanting to buy a eg track slut im trying to get to know the honda now lol ill hang around tech though, i appreciate all the help i can get and looking forward to getting in the scene and meeting everyone

jeremy and tony from ums will be near tech lol.
being that jeremy is the cheif of tech and everything :)

[BlueTeg]

.....TT don't allow passengers

They allow passengers as long as you don't spin. CCRs say if you have an off with a passenger its at their discretions to send you home for TT. Can't have passengers in the car at Nationals for TT.

[BlueTeg]

damn Josh, you forgot about the 2 that started it all :pissed:



I keep hearing about this Dan Sturla guy, but I never see him at the track? Are you him?
http://emmanuellemanor.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/mystery-silhouette.jpg

[ILIKETODRIVE]

They allow passengers as long as you don't spin. CCRs say if you have an off with a passenger its at their discretions to send you home for TT. Can't have passengers in the car at Nationals for TT.

True. Like I said, I went with Gabe at FIR West. Fucking blast.

[PhoenixB16]

I keep hearing about this Dan Sturla guy, but I never see him at the track? Are you him?
http://emmanuellemanor.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/mystery-silhouette.jpg

Hardest motherfucker to find to have a beer with.Hands down........

[Kinetic]

<<<<< Ride along King

[JoshDC2]

<<<<< Ride along King

?
you better be doing de2 in the S :devil:

[Kinetic]

damn Josh, you forgot about the 2 that started it all :pissed:
btw, i gave you a damn avatar on LB racing and you havent posted since!:hithead:

i just tried to go there and it says its down

[JoshDC2]

its been like that since yester day :dumbass:

[EG6-DC2]

What's down? The registration page?

[SlowCivicHmm]

Lbr = fail!!!


\m/

[EG6-DC2]

Yeah, I noticed that this morning...the Sturla's need to get on that!

[EG6-DC2]

Joser....I need to call you about the 'other' event Thanksgiving weekend!

[SlowCivicHmm]

call me or email me...phil pretty much knows the run down...

[fmx_dbc]

anyone a good Tig welder????
Need a motor mount on my block welded up
Drivers side on the block...the two upper bolts on the motor mount broke the top halves off somehow...I did not do this

[BlueTeg]

JB Weld

[JoshDC2]

anyone a good Tig welder????
Need a motor mount on my block welded up
Drivers side on the block...the two upper bolts on the motor mount broke the top halves off somehow...I did not do this

like mine? http://www.azht.net/forum/showthread.php?t=72681

[BlueTeg]

Craig: was your car not using the torque mounts either?

[JoshDC2]

torque mounts win :)
although i still only have one lol

[ILIKETODRIVE]

Craig: was your car not using the torque mounts either?

88-91 Civic/CRX don't have them. They have a rear mount, 2 side mounts, and a front mount.

[BlueTeg]

doh!

<---EF/DA dunce

[fmx_dbc]

like mine? http://www.azht.net/forum/showthread.php?t=72681
Josh mine is very similar only instead of stripping and pulling out, the top halves of the top 2 mount holes broke off. Pics will come on my lunch hour.

Craig: was your car not using the torque mounts either?
Gabe,no torque mounts on my car. I picked up this B16 block for FREE and it was in it's current condition

[JoshDC2]

I picked up this B16 block for FREE and it was in it's current condition

free ftw.
ill have to see these pics

[topramn]

damn Josh, you forgot about the 2 that started it all :pissed:
btw, i gave you a damn avatar on LB racing and you havent posted since!:hithead:


i have the best avatar on LBR.. gonna work on getting that on here..


haha, if they ever show up together.....plus H2/PT they don't have passenger seats.....TT don't allow passengers....and you'll be kicked from DE3 if you don't play niiice........lol..... \m/

right.. and wrong..

h2 cars dont have passenger seats.. sturla cars do.. TT allows passengers but you suffer the extra weight which usually craps on your lap times.. and i have heard but not confirmed that a passenger in your car during TT means you are just out there driving fast.. no times count..

[topramn]

goddam double posting sombitch

[fmx_dbc]

If they can ever get that damn LBR site to work! :P

[BlueTeg]

h2 cars dont have passenger seats.. sturla cars do.. TT allows passengers but you suffer the extra weight which usually craps on your lap times.. and i have heard but not confirmed that a passenger in your car during TT means you are just out there driving fast.. no times count..

Tage and I went through this entire harang with Greenbaum. The times count for points, records etc. But you cannot use the passenger to make weight. In other words, if you want to run TT with a 150-250 human ballast, more power to you.

[fmx_dbc]

guess who has super sexy polished valve rockers?!?!
<------ this guy! Yeah!

[JoshDC2]

guess who has super sexy polished valve rockers?!?!
<------ this guy! Yeah!

we needz the picz of teh motor mount

[fmx_dbc]

we needz the picz of teh motor mount

Keep your pants on LOL I'm leavng work in 15 minutes
I was bored at work and had my head with me so I played with the handpiece and the polishing compound

[SlowCivicHmm]

i've only gotten head at work......

never brought my head with me....where do you work?? I'd keep parts here if I could...good cube decor...haha

[JoshDC2]

i've only gotten head at work......

never brought my head with me....where do you work?? I'd keep parts here if I could...good cube decor...haha

ive only thought about head at work :ballin:

[fmx_dbc]

Im a dental technician...my dad owns the business
Durkee Racing FTW! lol

Heres the damage though
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb32/fmx_dbc/3.jpg


And as for the last engine, heres the exhaust cam...
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb32/fmx_dbc/good.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb32/fmx_dbc/bad.jpg

[JoshDC2]

BAAAAHHHH!!!!!!!
how the fuck?????

[fmx_dbc]

BAAAAHHHH!!!!!!!
how the fuck?????

My thoughts exactly

[PhoenixB16]

Junk2 FTL.........

[fmx_dbc]

Junk2 FTL.........

LOL Brett:poke:

My new Skunk2 Pro-C coilovers "should have gone out" so we'll see. I'm doing a write-up on those. It will be posted here as well as Honda-Tech

[PhoenixB16]

Dude,i was LIVID when I noticed one of my stage 1's decided to crack. I am personally boycotting all skunk2 parts.Couldnt pay me to put them on my EG....I still have half a cam here id love to shove up someones ass.

[fmx_dbc]

Dude,i was LIVID when I noticed one of my stage 1's decided to crack. I am personally boycotting all skunk2 parts.Couldnt pay me to put them on my EG....I still have half a cam here id love to shove up someones ass.

I love their front camber kit! As far as performance parts though I'm with you. I got them for a good discount and I still feel like I got screwed. After reading the disclaimer that states there's no warranty for defective parts I was like WTF.
I summarized it like this - "It's not our fault for making a shitty product, it's your fault for buying it."
...and to think they want $700+ for them...