ecu question

[seth00008]

should i get hondata s300 or just chip the p72 im only going to run 10lbs tops

[JDM Jon]

im goin with the s300 cuz its baller as shit and u can do tons of stuff with it
i would recommend it but thats just me not on a budget

[seth00008]

haha thats funny so s300 ftw then by chance what all can the s300 do

[JDM Jon]

you'd be amazed what it can do.. pretty much anything you want to adjust..
idle.. fuel.. timing its amazing

[Built By Notorious]

I would say just have the p72 tuned. Unless you know what you are doing you can do more damage than good. And if on a budget s300 is not the way. It is a great tuning tool for an advid tuner still IMO tho. You have to buy and install the unit and then pay someone to tune it. You are about a grand into getting running correct. We offer street tuning on the wideband, check and set timing, adjust fuel pressure if equipped for 200. Much cheaper if you do not know how to tune a s300. LMK

[JDM Jon]

I would say just have the p72 tuned. Unless you know what you are doing you can do more damage than good. And if on a budget s300 is not the way. It is a great tuning tool for an advid tuner still IMO tho. You have to buy and install the unit and then pay someone to tune it. You are about a grand into getting running correct. We offer street tuning on the wideband, check and set timing, adjust fuel pressure if equipped for 200. Much cheaper if you do not know how to tune a s300. LMK

good points sir.. this makes me think
the s300 is expensive but i need something that can really be tuned efficiently
can you do that with just a chip?
i've always had emissions problems and NEED to be able to pass after my car is boosted
i didnt plan on messing with the s300 myself i just wanted it since your tuner is in control of so much

[seth00008]

bump interested as well

[Built By Notorious]

Jon;1326806']good points sir.. this makes me think
the s300 is expensive but i need something that can really be tuned efficiently
can you do that with just a chip?
i've always had emissions problems and NEED to be able to pass after my car is boosted
i didnt plan on messing with the s300 myself i just wanted it since your tuner is in control of so much

You can still be tuned w/ a data logger on a wideband. the difference is you just have to save your program to a chip whereas s300 you can plug the laptop direct to the ecu and upload. For tuning and emissons having someone do a custom tune not just buying an off ebay or chip for somone elses car will work. Keep in mind you may want 2 chips. 1 for emissons w/ lower hp and fuel settings and one for power.

[seth00008]

so i can just chip my ecu get a wideband and get it tuned by like tim at xact.

[Built By Notorious]

so i can just chip my ecu get a wideband and get it tuned by like tim at xact.


Or you can save on the wideband and come to us. lol We can custom tune it with our wideband on the data logger set the timing correct and fuel pressure if equipped with a FPR a gauge. We include the chip, socket to accept the chip and installing it into your board for 200. 100 for a base map chip with out the wideband and data logger. LMK

[onefst91hatch]

Or you can save on the wideband and come to us. lol We can custom tune it with our wideband on the data logger set the timing correct and fuel pressure if equipped with a FPR a gauge. We include the chip, socket to accept the chip and installing it into your board for 200. 100 for a base map chip with out the wideband and data logger. LMK

good deal!!!

[Built By Notorious]

good deal!!!

Thanks! We try to stay reasonable.:thumbsup:

[JDM Jon]

ok so id get one chip for emissions and one for power
but i personally cant interchange them can i? does the tuner have to do that?
because im in tucson and all the tuners are up in the general phoenix area

[Built By Notorious]

Jon;1327965']ok so id get one chip for emissions and one for power
but i personally cant interchange them can i? does the tuner have to do that?
because im in tucson and all the tuners are up in the general phoenix area

Once we socket it for you can easily do it yourself. You take off the cover and will be the only chip that is now removable due to the socket we install. You just pull the old one out and plug a new one in.

[OhDang]

Once we socket it for you can easily do it yourself. You take off the cover and will be the only chip that is now removable due to the socket we install. You just pull the old one out and plug a new one in.

BBN is like god's gift to azht budgets

[JDM Jon]

wow thats awesome
so total cost.. for 2 chips and 2 tunes??
how would that work with the tuning on one chip than another? 2 different costs?

[Built By Notorious]

BBN is like god's gift to azht budgets

LOL Thanks bro. It's because we are people / racers building cars too. We know that we can't afford inflated prices. So we figure most are in the same boat. And others that have the extra money to throw around... Well being frugal is not a down fall!

Jon;1327988']wow thats awesome
so total cost.. for 2 chips and 2 tunes??
how would that work with the tuning on one chip than another? 2 different costs?

Well we would only charge you for one street tune of say 200 if obd1 and do an additional basemap for the emissons chip @ another 50. Or 250 for street tune on obd0 and 70 for a chip for emissons. Some people run 2 chips if running nitrous. That way you can have a strong all motor chip and a track chip when on the bottle so timing and fuel is correct.

[JDM Jon]

ok cool. its an obd1 gsr btw
so total of like 300 for everything and im good to go?
thats a lot cheaper than a 575 dollar s300 plus 450 for tuning haha

[Built By Notorious]

Jon;1328002']ok cool. its an obd1 gsr btw
so total of like 300 for everything and im good to go?
thats a lot cheaper than a 575 dollar s300 plus 450 for tuning haha

200 for obd1 plus 50 for additonal chip, so 250.

And yeah WAY less exspensive than s300 plus install, plus tuning. Again not at all knocking the s300. It is a GREAT tuning tool for those who can tune themselves and need to be able to adjust there car all the time on the fly. But for us with less of a budget... Not so much lol So when are we tuning you? :)

[JDM Jon]

haha definitely good point.
well i still have a lot of parts to still get so probly a month or two
ill make sure to keep u guys in mind cuz i cant pass up that price
thank u for all the help! :)

[seth00008]

you will be tuning me here ahortly as soon as she is up and running again i say here withing the next month or two

[Built By Notorious]

Jon;1328020']haha definitely good point.
well i still have a lot of parts to still get so probly a month or two
ill make sure to keep u guys in mind cuz i cant pass up that price
thank u for all the help! :)

Understood and if we can help you save on any of those parts let us know. I am partial owner no lil guys to pay to hike up costs. We can get almost anything even if not on our websites yet. No prob glad to help.

you will be tuning me here ahortly as soon as she is up and running again i say here withing the next month or two

K, cool let us know if we can do anything to help in the mean time.

I am out... wifey just went to bed!;) Talk to you fellas tomorrow. If you have any more questions feel free to give us a call 8-6 and yes we are available 7 days a week.

[JDM Jon]

thanks a lot man ill definitely let u know
BBN ftw ;)

[xactdyno]

yaah for dangerous and inaccurate street tuning.
all hondatas allow for 2 maps with the flick of a switch, even the s100.

[seth00008]

yay for future blown motor

[Built By Notorious]

yaah for dangerous and inaccurate street tuning.
all hondatas allow for 2 maps with the flick of a switch, even the s100.

So our Innovative wideband is less accurate than yours? We set timing the same? We set fuel pressure off the same kinda gauge. We actually help trouble shoot peoples issues and help them fix them if needed, not just turn them away.
And for the dangerous comment... So is flying in a airplane but hundreds of thousands of people do it a day. That's like saying... Racing is bad, don't do it, No:lame:. I grew up street racing as you prob did too. But sounds like alot of people on here forget that and are better than others now. If we did not street race in the early 90's most of the companies making the parts we buy would not even exist. The companies would never have seen the demand for the parts.
We may not get a dyno hp and torque # but we also don't charge as much. We can make your car run at safe a/f ratios and make it alot faster.
I did not say a word about you. You have no idea who we are or our abilites. Why try and flame us ? As for the Hondata you can switch tunes as I said and we would show them how to do it themselves. Not charge them to do it.


yay for future blown motor

We have NEVER blown anyones motor on a tune... NEVER. Not alot of people can say that!

[Hopeless EP3]

why not chip and run VAFC?

[Built By Notorious]

why not chip and run VAFC?

This also works well to fine tune fuel settings on a already tuned chip. We can also do this. We do tune VAFC and AFC if needed. We like to not hook up the VTEC to the VAFC due to the ECU having different maps for low cam and hi cam under load and off load. So it will basically be an AFC. Or just get a AFC instead? If you use the VAFC to run VTEC you will only be able to tune fuel across the board not in seperate. So either hi cam (in vtec) starves for fuel or lo cam (not in vtec) drowns in fuel or they both suffer tryin to find a happy median.

[seth00008]

i no notorius i was just messing around and for hopeless that is my plan. i have a vafc

[Built By Notorious]

K cool, sorry ish talkin got me worked up.

[seth00008]

haha its cool, well when the car is all done witch im hoping before summer, you will get a tune day with a turbo'd gsr hatchie.

what kind of power do you think it would make.

[Built By Notorious]

haha its cool, well when the car is all done witch im hoping before summer, you will get a tune day with a turbo'd gsr hatchie.

what kind of power do you think it would make.


Cool, you and Kenny (our partner and tuner) can compare setups. He also has a GSR/ Poormans R on boost... Runs 11.9 on low boost and small slicks on a non sleeved bottom end. So let just say he knows his was around a turbo obd1 GSR setup lol

[Hopeless EP3]

You can't go wrong with VAFC its much more in the budget range for most ppl

I had a b16a crx hf with VAFC
did 13.8 on street tires :) had vtec set at 3500

some ppl say its impossible but my friend has the vid :( He was just stationed in Korea and hasn't uploaded the vid yet I'm dissapointed

this is what I had done to the rex

OBD1 conversion
ITR Camshafts
HKS adjustable cam gears
Import-ss chipped p30 ecu
Megan Race Header
Short Ram Intake
2 1/2 Piping Cat back with exhaust with a cat
MSD 7-A2 box
MSD pro comp cap
MSD pro comp Coil
APEXi VAFC
Clutch Masters 6 puck clutch


Some people say I'm lying that I had HKS cams due to never seeing them on a b16a but everybody from the CRX meet has seen them ;)

[crx2quik4u]

had vtec set to 3500? wow...thats low!!!! i thought my 4200 back in the day was low...... :back to topic: I am building a turbo setup but im gonna run a tuned locash p28 ecu and a AVC-R from apex....dont really care about controlling vtec

[Hopeless EP3]

had vtec set to 3500? wow...thats low!!!! i thought my 4200 back in the day was low...... :back to topic: I am building a turbo setup but im gonna run a tuned locash p28 ecu and a AVC-R from apex....dont really care about controlling vtec

lol I've set the vafc at 3000 before it was funny and I think my friend tried 2500 as a joke... shit drains gas

I DD with it set at 4500 tho

pulled and evo easily on the freeway :)

[Built By Notorious]

Decent tome for a b16 CRX with what you had done. Not bad at all!

[Hopeless EP3]

Decent tome for a b16 CRX with what you had done. Not bad at all!

LS tranny (full hydro conversion) with 6 pluck clutch ;) integra pedal assembly

[Built By Notorious]

LS tranny (full hydro conversion) with 6 pluck clutch ;) integra pedal assembly

Even more impressive w/ a LS trans.

[JDM Jon]

LS tranny (full hydro conversion) with 6 pluck clutch ;) integra pedal assembly

Curious.. why the ls tranny?

[seth00008]

same. and im hoping to get into the 13's.. without bottle , and just intake and 2.25 exhaust i did 14.9 at firebird that was before the vafc.

[Hopeless EP3]

Jon;1330940']Curious.. why the ls tranny?

Was gonna turbo but I like NA more and never felt like buying a new tranny

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d97/omgheyitskenny/CRX%20FS/DSC_0294.jpg
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d97/omgheyitskenny/CRX%20FS/DSC_0313.jpg
full hydro conversion clutch master cylinder by the tripod holding the hood up

integra pedal assembly
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d97/omgheyitskenny/CRX%20FS/DSC_0320.jpg

back part where the spare tire went was all cut out and replaced with sheet metal

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d97/omgheyitskenny/CRX%20FS/DSC_0308.jpg



I miss this car :( it was sold to some guy on azht
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d97/omgheyitskenny/CRX%20FS/DSC_0322.jpg


I am actually working with BBN for my next NA build :) from just talking to them and seeing them at the track I know they're good guys and very easy to work with pricing is very good too

to the op sorry for jacking your thread

[JDM Jon]

same. and im hoping to get into the 13's.. without bottle , and just intake and 2.25 exhaust i did 14.9 at firebird that was before the vafc.

It should be easy to get into the 13s man
I was hoping for high to mid 12's after my build is done

[Hopeless EP3]

same. and im hoping to get into the 13's.. without bottle , and just intake and 2.25 exhaust i did 14.9 at firebird that was before the vafc.

what was your 60fts?

[seth00008]

honestly i couldnt tell you it was during june i think my friend still has my slip il hit him up/