B16b
 

I am looking to get a new motor I have not decided yet whether it be another B16A or ls/v. I have always been a fan of the B16's short stroke high revving motor. My b16 has done me right of almost 5 years in my car. I was pondering on maybe the b16b. I know its not the fastest but owning one of these and eventually putting my Toda pistons in it. What are your thoughts of this motor who has owned one. Good or bad. I know I can go with a frank motor and get more power. But I have always been unsure of those motors.

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Do a lsvtec I like them

I knew you would say that.

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lol yeah that dude is all about lsvtec. I also say go lsv!

Lsv are nice I got one you should do that

Fyi, b16b is not a short deck block like the 16a...

No, I know, I think its basically a destroked Gsr.

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Has anyone had one of these motors. Let me hear your opinion. What are the numbers for a ls/v in stock form with basic add ons.

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Had. B16b it was gutless. Could never get it to run good without detonation on our gay 91 octane.

How is that possible when the b16a is not much different in compression. And all kinds of people build poor mans r. I had a b16a with Toda pistons and compression in that was at 11.7 and I ran fine on 91 octane.

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Just saying my experience, idk what was done to it but it was weak and I sold it to a jdm fanboy. My friend had one too in a ek hatch, thing was guttless till 7500+. Wouldake a good road race motor when you're constantly in high revs.

More like a destroked b18cr with a slightly more aggressive intake cam.

Cray, you definitely were doing something wrong...

That's just weird I have a b16a2 in my Ek right now yeah it lacks some bottom end power but its not completely gutless.

I knew it was one if the destroked b18.

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mmmmm b16b...sounds like fun...i would rock one, ive driven one and they are quite fun and vtec is like a bitch slap in the face...

nope. The motor was a dud. Threw a 12.5:1 compression b20vtec in went 12.6 on motor and 11.7 on bottle. The new owner of that motor never made it run good.

In a very light chassis the b16b could be a good motor if you like the revs. For an on the street everyday motor it lacks a lot

I think your expectations for a stock engine are just way too high. The b16b was designed for racing, hence it being an R engine and it's power band being on the high rpm spectrum... Obviously it's not going to have much low end torque if that's what you were looking for.

The stock itr's(jdm and usdm), lsvtec's and stock bottom end b20vtecs that I've owned were way more enjoyable to drive than the b16b I have owned and have driven.

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You are comparing a 1.8l and 2.0l to a 1.6, just an fyi.

Read original post. He is deciding between a b16b and an lsvtec

Nah, i'm just saying you're being entirely unrealistic if you expect a 1.6l to produce the lower torque of a 1.8 or 2.0 so I would call your comparrisons biased. It really all depends on what you desire and can afford when it comes to selecting engines. With that said keep in mind the only reason the b16b exists is because Honda marketed Civics with 1.6's and Integras with 1.8's and so Honda still had an entry in the 1.6l n1 class.

Honestly I'd rather just stuff some giant ass cams in a b16a, run a 4.7 final and call it a day. It's extremely enjoyable when your b16 with cams eats a turbo Nissan.

I think you would be better off getting a jspec B16A and modding that too your liking. B16B is overrated I think and surely a rip on the price end.

Thanks for all input on this. I am just undecided on this like I said I have gotten alot of years out my B16. I want something new and to get that time out if my new motor. If the b16b is like the the b16a on the low end. Then I would go with that. I dint have an issue with the motor having no low end. There are alot of ways to get some of that kind of power out of a that motor. B16b is pricey but money is not the issue.

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If money isn't an issue just build your b16a.

I thought about that too. Just still undecided.

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B16a is a blast, my little b16 with cams took an evo 9 once. Greatest moment in my Honda life. Sure you can build up a B18 or B20 but it's so much more rewarding to do it with a 1.6.

People are like omg what's under the hood? The look on their face when you tell them it's just a b16 is awesome.

I was specing out some Toda dual valve springs, bronze valve guides, cam gears, and some CTR bump sticks for the head. I am going to start inquiring about rebuilding my block with some Toda pistons I have just laying around and they are attached to shot peened rods all 4 are balanced with a 1/2 gram of each other. I am going to micro polish and rebalance the crank. Use some ACL bearings. I am also going to by a Toda flywheel clutch set also. Any ideas on a tranny.
And thanks Koopa for all your insight. I have always been a real fan of the B16's I think alot of people underestimate them and the potential that can be done with them.

If it's NA the motor will be really disappointing with CTR cams. Cams make or break a naturally aspirated engine.

Which cam do you recommend then?

OP - B16B's are pretty affordable with really low miles, why not do it if you're interested in it? Sure it will be a little less on the torque side, but it should be a fun overall motor at high rpms. Vtax will crack pretty aggressively too.