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honduh_head 02-22-2008 07:07 PM

Complete B series info
 
ls/vtec build/write up

http://honda-tech.com/zerothread/1676914



Or here:

http://www.b20vtec.com/forums/b-seri...tec-guide.html


ls/v q & a
http://www.b20vtec.com/forums/b-seri...arts-list.html

ls/v builds:
http://honda-tech.com/showthread.php...hlight=ls+vtec

honduh_head 02-22-2008 07:47 PM

B Series Header Comparison
 
dyno numbers:

http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1538831

different types of headers out there...

http://honda-tech.com/zerothread/1870263

honduh_head 02-28-2008 03:29 PM

B series header test
 
http://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1214415&page=1

honduh_head 02-28-2008 05:34 PM

Dyno Results: Weapon R (HyTech Knockoff) vs DTR 2L vs SMS 1 Piece Mild Steel
 
http://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1220533

honduh_head 05-10-2008 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 01JDMITR (Post 895663)
does any body knows what compression gsr have with b16a piston.

http://www.azht.net/forum/showthread.php?t=55936

from this calculator, 11.3 to 1

honduh_head 05-31-2008 01:37 PM

909 header shootout - DTR-Fab, Highend, Rage
 
http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1463564&page=1

honduh_head 03-05-2009 09:41 PM

B Series Measurements/Torque Specs
 
all measurements for b series motors

http://www.superhonda.com/forum/f93/...inside-125367/




b series torque specs:

http://honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=1676914



simple stuff :

b16a = pr3 and p30
b16b = pct
b18a/b = pr4 and p75
b18c = p72
b18c5 = p73

all are 81mm bores

b20b and b20z are 84mm bores

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If we maintain the stock crank, here are the displacements you can get by increasing your bore:

I. for the B18A/B18B (89 mm Stroke)

Bore (Stock 81 mm) ....Displacement (Stock = 1834 cc)

82 mm..................1880 cc

83 mm..................1926 cc

84 mm..................1973 cc

84.5 mm................1996 cc

85 mm..................2020 cc

86 mm..................2068 cc

87 mm..................2116 cc


II. for the B18C (Stroke 87.2 mm)

Bore (Stock 81 mm)...Displacement (Stock 1797 cc)

82 mm................1842 cc

83 mm................1887 cc

84 mm................1933 cc

84.5 mm..............1956 cc

85 mm................1979 cc

86 mm................2026 cc

87 mm................2073 cc

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Here are the Strokes for each B Series Crank :

B16A and B16B............77.4 mm

B17A.....................81.4 mm

B18C1 and B18C5..........87.2 mm

B18 A/B and B20B/Z ......89.0 mm

B20A.....................95.0 mm


rod length comparison:

B18A/B or B20B/Z 137 mm

B18C 137.9 mm

B17a 132mm.

B16a 134mm

B20 137 mm

B21A (early 90's Prelude)141.7mm


deck heights:

B18A/B and B20B block deck height = 211.84 mm

B18C1 and B18C5 block deck height = 212.39 mm

B16A block deck height = 203.37 mm


Piston to Deck Clearance

B18A/B, B18C1, B18C5, B20Z/B = 0.76-0.84 mm ( 0.030 -0.033 in.)

B16A/B = 0.5-0.9 mm (0.020-0.035 in.)


Piston Compression Height

B18A/B (PR4) 29.97 mm

B18C1 (P72AO) 30.05 mm

B18C5 (P73AO) 30.23 mm

B16A (PR3) 29.97 mm

B16B (PCT) 30.73 mm

B20B (P3F) 29.59 mm


combustion chamber volume

P72 head combustion chamber volume: 41.6cc
PR3 head combustion chamber volume: 42.7cc

fRoSt 03-09-2009 04:46 PM

i dont see anything about the wiring for the vtec for ls-v. and oh if ur car is a obd1 already it stays right??? how bout using hondata s200 with p28 unless i can get a p73 ecu if lucky but is it necessary to get p73 or just go with p28 and hondata s200 and it will be fine???

honduh_head 03-10-2009 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fRoSt-JDM-stylez (Post 1371718)
i dont see anything about the wiring for the vtec for ls-v. and oh if ur car is a obd1 already it stays right??? how bout using hondata s200 with p28 unless i can get a p73 ecu if lucky but is it necessary to get p73 or just go with p28 and hondata s200 and it will be fine???

p28's are recommended due to the ease of resocketing them for the hondata (or any other aftermarket programs for that matter)

fRoSt 03-11-2009 01:18 AM

oh i see... then i prolly do just that and get it properly tune after the lsv build... and i got another question... once i get it rebuild to 0 miles on the motor... how many miles do i have to breakin safely until i can go get it dyno tuned... or can i even drive it without getting it tune till i get about 1k or 2k miles... i'm just kinda scured that if i get it dyno tuned right away something will go wrong cuz its gonna be up in the 12 compression zone but under 12.5... thats the most important question i have cuz i never rebuilt the motor and dont know about the break in period or dyno tune right after the build... thnx if reply with all the solution...

honduh_head 03-11-2009 03:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fRoSt-JDM-stylez (Post 1374284)
oh i see... then i prolly do just that and get it properly tune after the lsv build... and i got another question... once i get it rebuild to 0 miles on the motor... how many miles do i have to breakin safely until i can go get it dyno tuned... or can i even drive it without getting it tune till i get about 1k or 2k miles... i'm just kinda scured that if i get it dyno tuned right away something will go wrong cuz its gonna be up in the 12 compression zone but under 12.5... thats the most important question i have cuz i never rebuilt the motor and dont know about the break in period or dyno tune right after the build... thnx if reply with all the solution...

with the build you are talking about, i would say it would be ready for the dyno immediately... i would turn it over, let it idle for about 30 minutes, making sure there's no leaks or over heating... then do an oil change and take it to the dyno for tuning. just don't get on it at all til it's tuned and you should be good.

fRoSt 03-13-2009 12:20 AM

cool thanx alot... oh and one more question... one of the old black guy at my work place he's a muscle car guy... i asked him out the rebuild to and he said that i have to break the motor in first cuz the piston ring is still new... he said let it break in about 500 mile to 1k mile first b4 dyno... thats just wat i heard from that old black guy that build his 500hp v8... and yes i did sat in it and it was freakin fast... so just askin if he's right also...

honduh_head 03-13-2009 09:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fRoSt-JDM-stylez (Post 1377614)
cool thanx alot... oh and one more question... one of the old black guy at my work place he's a muscle car guy... i asked him out the rebuild to and he said that i have to break the motor in first cuz the piston ring is still new... he said let it break in about 500 mile to 1k mile first b4 dyno... thats just wat i heard from that old black guy that build his 500hp v8... and yes i did sat in it and it was freakin fast... so just askin if he's right also...

ehhh, that's up for arguement....do whatever you are comfortable with... IMO rings are seated by the time the motor comes to operating temperature... its the rest of the motor that really needs the break in.

but like i said, do what ever you are comfortable with....it's your motor, your money, your car... it can only help you by waiting.

skar1 04-06-2009 07:49 PM

Good info on here im leaning towards an ls-vtech build myself but im worried about reliability and numbers in power compared to a built ls. Ill keep reading and ask questions in here, thanks for the info tho

honduh_head 04-07-2009 10:47 AM

there should be no difference in relability...in fact i would say a midly built ls-vtec would be more reliable than a fully built ls and still make more power.

hondafan2 06-01-2009 09:02 PM

ok, so i know i should upgrade to arp head bolts if im doing an lsv, but what if i cant get the arp's for whatever reason?
what other headbolts can i use?
b16, type r if the head is either b16 or type r?
and gsr headbolts if its a gsr head?

ILIKETODRIVE 06-03-2009 04:00 PM

If it's a B16 or GSR or ITR head, use GSR/ITR head bolts. B16 head bolts are too short.

They're called head bolts but the length difference between GSR/ITR and B16 head bolts is because the B16 block is shorter.

honduh_head 06-03-2009 07:22 PM

Just get arp head studs man....saves u the mental anguish of possibly blowing a head gasket.

hondafan2 06-21-2009 11:06 PM

oil pump info
 
from what i read on this link, how true is it about the oil pumps?
http://www.b20vtec.com/forums/b-seri...arts-list.html

i have heard and not believed, yet, that ALL b series=ls/b20/gsr/itr/ctr/Si oil pumps obd2 are superior to all the previous b series oil pumps. True or not?

honduh_head 06-21-2009 11:11 PM

thats what i understand as well, all 96 and up are the same

btw soroush is a good guy, i've learned a lot of stuff from him ;)

honduh_head 07-12-2009 08:31 PM

B series cam comparison (oem and aftermarket)

http://www.b20vtec.com/forums/b-seri...haft-info.html

honduh_head 07-12-2009 08:33 PM

King Motorsports comparing different setups on their built B20...

Original thread stating build on motor:
http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=2158536

Comparisons:
http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread/2174099

Enjoy :thumbup:

Agent Smith 07-17-2009 03:33 PM

someone have the link with PHOTOS on telling the difference between oem b-series vtec cams by looking at them?

honduh_head 07-17-2009 08:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Honduh_head (Post 1558879)
B series cam comparison (oem and aftermarket)

http://www.b20vtec.com/forums/b-seri...haft-info.html

Quote:

Originally Posted by Agent Smith (Post 1566816)
someone have the link with PHOTOS on telling the difference between oem b-series vtec cams by looking at them?

*cough ^

Agent Smith 07-18-2009 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Honduh_head (Post 1567183)
*cough ^

found it, the ff squad one was easier for me :/

honduh_head 07-18-2009 09:56 PM

Well how about posting it then?

Durrrrrrrr.

Agent Smith 07-19-2009 01:09 PM

B series cam comparison
 
http://www.ff-squad.com/tech/temp/VtecCams.htm

honduh_head 07-19-2009 04:09 PM

Thank u sir

:thumbup:

honduh_head 10-20-2009 11:45 AM

b series tranny info-gearing/mph/spline count
 
http://www.ff-squad.com/tech/temp/Bgears.htm

honduh_head 10-20-2009 02:11 PM

B Series All-Motor Cams Comparison
 
Put together by Dead Bird Teggy...the coolest mofugga in town!


Aftermarket Camshaft Comparison
This is done more as a reference for myself
and the people who stand behind
certain brands as being "the best".
And me doing it myself lets at least ME know that the info is correct.
All information is taken directly from the brands' websites.
BLOX and Skunk2 website only gave lift values in inches on some. Blox's categories could use reorganized.
I used this site for the conversion:
http://www.convertunits.com/from/inches/to/mm

Buddy Club:
Racing Spec III Plus(their lowest stage or what I'll consider stage one)
Intake Cam: 11.4mm lift 296* duration
Exhaust Cam: 11.8mm lift 290* duration

Spec IV Extreme(stage 2)
Intake Cam: 12.3mm lift 306* duration
Exhaust Cam: 11.8mm lift 302* duration

Spec V Extreme
Intake Cam: 12.8mm lift 312* duration
Exhaust Cam: 11.8mm lift 306* duration

Spec VI Extreme
Intake Cam: 11.8mm lift 319* duration
Exhaust Cam: 11.9mm lift 307* duration

Brian Crower
Stage 2
Intake Cam: 12.0mm lift 306* duration
Exhaust Cam: 12.0mm lift 300* duration

Stage 3
Intake Cam: 12.6mm lift 310* duration
Exhaust Cam: 12.6mm lift 308* duration

OBX-R
Stage 1
Intake Cam: 11.6mm lift 252* duration
Exhaust Cam: 11.9mm lift 249* duration

Stage 2
Intake Cam: 12.3mm lift 266* duration
Exhaust Cam: 11.8mm lift 262* duration

Stage 3
Intake Cam: 12.8mm lift 273* duration
Exhaust Cam: 11.5mm lift 273* duration

BLOX Tuner Series
TYPE-A
Intake Cam: 11.7mm lift 247* duration
Exhaust Cam: 10.7mm lift 239* duration

TYPE-B
Intake Cam: 12.4mm lift 266* duration
Exhaust Cam: 12.0mm lift 266* duration

HSL (High Speed Lift)
Intake Cam: 12.6mm lift 255* duration
Exhaust Cam: 12.5mm lift 256* duration

Stage I
Intake Cam: 11.9mm lift 264* duration
Exhaust Cam: 11.0mm lift 259* duration

Stage II
Intake Cam: 12.4mm lift 275* duration
Exhaust Cam: 11.9mm lift 270* duration

Stage III
Intake Cam: 12.8mm lift 272* duration
Exhaust Cam: 11.9mm lift 280* duration

BLOX Competition Series
TYPE-B
Intake Cam: 12.4mm lift 266* duration
Exhaust Cam: 12.0mm lift 266* duration

HSL (High Speed Lift)
Intake Cam: 12.6mm lift 255* duration
Exhaust Cam: 12.5mm lift 256* duration

TYPE-C
Intake Cam: 12.2mm lift 268* duration
Exhaust Cam: 11.6mm lift 264* duration

Skunk2 Tuner Series
Stage 1
Intake Cam: 11.6mm lift 249* duration
Exhaust Cam: 10.8mm lift 244* duration

Stage 2
Intake Cam: 12.7mm lift 262* duration
Exhaust Cam: 11.9mm lift 260* duration

Stage 3
Intake Cam: 12.7mm lift 263* duration
Exhaust Cam: 11.9mm lift 271* duration

Skunk2 Pro Series
Stage 1
Intake Cam: 12.7mm lift 296* duration
Exhaust Cam: 11.9mm lift 298* duration

Stage 2
Intake Cam: 12.5mm lift 302* duration
Exhaust Cam: 11.6mm lift 312* duration

Stage 3
Intake Cam: 12.7mm lift 315* duration
Exhaust Cam: 11.9mm lift 317* duration

TODA Racing
1st Gen Spec-A
Intake Cam: 11.6mm lift 290* duration
Exhaust Cam: 11.2mm lift 280* duration

2nd Gen Spec-A
Intake Cam: 12mm lift 295* duration
Exhaust Cam: 12mm lift 285* duration

Spec-B
Intake Cam: 12mm lift 295* duration
Exhaust Cam: 12mm lift 285* duration

1st Gen Spec-C
Intake Cam: 12.5mm lift 295* duration
Exhaust Cam: 12.5mm lift 295* duration

2nd Gen Spec-C
Intake Cam: 12.5mm lift 300* duration
Exhaust Cam: 12.5mm lift 300* duration

VTEC Killers available in:
Intake Cam: 12.5mm lift 285, 295, 305* duration
Exhaust Cam: 12.0mm lift 285, 295, 305* duration

Erick's Racing Special Spec D's
Intake Cam: 12.5mm lift 305* Duration
Exhaust Cam: 11.6mm lift 314* Duration

Rocket Motorsports
M20
Intake Cam: 11.5mm lift 274* duration
Exhaust Cam: 11.5 mm lift 274* duration

M21
Intake Cam: 11.6 mm lift 274* duration
Exhaust Cam: 11.6 mm lift 274* duration

M22
Intake Cam: 12.1mm lift 284* duration
Exhaust Cam: 12.1mm lift 284* duration

M24e
Intake Cam: 12.7mm lift 303* duration
Exhaust Cam: 12.7mm lift 303* duration

M24x
Intake Cam: 12.7mm lift 298* duration
Exhaust Cam: 12.1mm lift 305* duration

M25
Intake Cam: 12.1mm lift 310* duration
Exhaust Cam: 12.1mm lift 310* duration

M25e
Intake Cam: 13.3mm lift 316* duration
Exhaust Cam: 13.3mm lift 316*duration

JUN AUTO
Type 0
Intake Cam: 11.7mm lift 292* duration
Exhaust Cam: 11.3mm lift 284* duration

Type 1
Intake Cam: 10.9mm lift 300* duration
Exhaust Cam: 10.0mm lift 300* duration

Type 2
Intake Cam: 12.0m lift 300* duration
Exhaust Cam: 10.9mm lift 300* duration

Type 3
Intake Cam: 12.0mm lift 304* duration
Exhaust Cam: 11.5mm lift 304* duration

Type 4
Intake Cam: 12.5mm lift 304* duration
Exhaust Cam: 12.5mm lift 304* duration

Piper Cams
Fast Road
Intake Cam: 11.2mm lift 278* duration
Exhaust Cam: 10.3mm lift 272* duration

Extreme Road
Intake Cam: 11.6mm lift 304* duration
Exhaust Cam: 11.2mm lift 280* duration

Comp Cams
Stage I
Intake Cam: 12.4mm lift 282* duration
Exhaust Cam: 11.9mm lift 286* duration

Stage II
Intake Cam: 12.7mm lift 292* duration
Exhaust Cam: 12.2mm lift 296* duration

Stage III
Intake Cam: 13.0mm lift 302* duration
Exhaust Cam: 12.4mm lift 306* duration

Web Cams
http://www.webcamshafts.com/index_bl...le_search.html


Endyn Bump Stix
Intake Cam: 12.2174mm lift 268* duration
Exhaust Cam: 11.6332mm lift 264* duration

Edelbrock Cams
Intake cam: 12.446mm lift 288* duration
Exhaust cam: 11.5316mm lift 266* duration


http://www.edelbrock.com/automotive_.../4000/4730.pdf

Greddy
GREX Cams
Intake Cam: 11.5mm lift 292* duration
Exhaust Cam: 10mm life 286* duration


http://www.greddy.com/products/displ...SubCategory=40

Kelford Cams
176-B ("Ultimate Street cam")
Intake cam: 11.8mm lift 284* duration
Exhaust cam: 11.25mm lift 280* duration

176-C ("Circuit racing cam")
Intake cam: 11.80mm lift 288* duration
Exhaust cam: 11.25mm lift 290* duration

176-D ("Drag Racing or track day cams")
Intake cam: 11.8mm lift 292* duration
Exhaust cam: 11.25mm lift 298* duration

176-E ("ALLMOTOR Drag racing camshafts")
Intake cam: 12.7mm lift 300* duration
Exhaust cam: 11.75mm lift 306* duration

176-X Custom Camshaft Set
Custom camshafts ground to your specifications to suit Honda B16A and B18C VTEC engines. Learn More

176-F
VTEC ELIMINATOR High RPM Circuit race cams
11.80mm lift 292*duration (both?)

176-G
VTEC ELIMINATOR cams
Intake cam: 12.7mm lift 300* duration
Exhaust cam: 11.75mm lift 306* duration

working on others


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