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Old 11-25-2013, 04:40 PM   #1
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anyone using Brian Crower cams?

hey guys. just looking to see some real world results/opinions on Brian Crower stage 2 n/a cams. current motor set up is lsvtec. b16 head cai stock tb and intake mani stock injectors and rail gsr cams stock valves and springs, b18a block bored .30 over with itr pistons dc 4-1 headder and 3" exhaust. compression is around 11.6. anyway im looking to upgrade valve train cams and fuel system. Brian crower seems like the most bang for the buck. if anyone has any experience or suggestions im all ears. thanks!
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Old 12-09-2014, 01:25 PM   #2
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Not anyone who is smart I'd say. I can't speak for the B series, but for the H series they're trash....
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Old 12-09-2014, 01:27 PM   #3
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hey guys. just looking to see some real world results/opinions on Brian Crower stage 2 n/a cams. current motor set up is lsvtec. b16 head cai stock tb and intake mani stock injectors and rail gsr cams stock valves and springs, b18a block bored .30 over with itr pistons dc 4-1 headder and 3" exhaust. compression is around 11.6. anyway im looking to upgrade valve train cams and fuel system. Brian crower seems like the most bang for the buck. if anyone has any experience or suggestions im all ears. thanks!
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Old 12-09-2014, 06:09 PM   #4
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Cant go wrong with a skunk pro1 or a stage 1-2.
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Old 12-09-2014, 07:57 PM   #5
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I had bc stage 2 on my last ls. I also rebuilt it from the oil pan up. This was 5 years ago roughly and i heard about 5 months ago from the current owner wanting to know what was done to the motor as he felt it was the strongest ls hes ever driven.. and before my car they were on an untouched ls bottom with ebay turbo kit. Some people may know nate and his lil red eg si... car wasnt slow..
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Old 12-10-2014, 06:11 AM   #6
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Cant go wrong with a skunk pro1 or a stage 1-2.
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I'm so out of the loop on the B series, but back in the day, it was all about Skunks, Todas, JUNs. The $$$ never really made sense with the JDM stuff though. I'd buy used Skunks before anything New from Crower.

F-FWD 10yrs+ and that remains true for the H series. Guys have broken 300whp with Pro3s.
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B20v
Solid, b17 cams
Dotted, BC stg2

Same motor setup besides cams
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Old 12-10-2014, 12:06 PM   #9
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B20v
Solid, b17 cams
Dotted, BC stg2

Same motor setup besides cams
Damn that's crazy... Dyno sheets don't lie I guess. I'd take that overall max gain across the rpms vs max HP at redline any day. That's pretty sur surprising to me
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Old 12-10-2014, 02:00 PM   #10
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Been Running the Crower Cams Honda Challenge spec ( Crower Cams Part#
62402HC-2) For the last 3 years, they make about 8-10 HP on a Honda Challenge spec B20 motor. No issues, no problems.
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Old 12-10-2014, 02:33 PM   #11
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Been Running the Crower Cams Honda Challenge spec ( Crower Cams Part#
62402HC-2) For the last 3 years, they make about 8-10 HP on a Honda Challenge spec B20 motor. No issues, no problems.
there really is no other options on a non vtec b, maybe regrinds
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Old 12-11-2014, 12:35 PM   #12
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I once had a D17 head with crower valve springs, retainers, valves and crower cam. Had the stage 2 cam for awhile then upgraded to their stage 3 Race cam and still had zero issues. Both gave significant power gains on my turbo SOHC and Crower customer service was really good. I also had Crower Rods in the same D17. Id confidently go with a Crower product even now.

On a side note Ive personally never had any issues with skunk cams but if you look on other forums there is plenty of people claiming to have had them. Google search "junk2"
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I once had a D17 head with crower valve springs, retainers, valves and crower cam. Had the stage 2 cam for awhile then upgraded to their stage 3 Race cam and still had zero issues. Both gave significant power gains on my turbo SOHC and Crower customer service was really good. I also had Crower Rods in the same D17. Id confidently go with a Crower product even now.

On a side note Ive personally never had any issues with skunk cams but if you look on other forums there is plenty of people claiming to have had them. Google search "junk2"
again... what do you have to compare to in that application? lol
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Old 12-11-2014, 11:10 PM   #14
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A friend of mine and I had a conversation about the "cheap" cam companies the other week. He was saying he was planning on using some Blox cams in his EK9, and I asked him "Why use the cheap cams and not some Todas?" Well, he brought up a good point when he said, despite the negative stuff you hear about companies like Blox and Skunk2, how many people use them vs how many people say bad stuff about them? And when you think about it, you're always going to hear something bad about a product when hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people use those products. Mostly because when you're selling that many products, it's going to be impossible to weed out the idiots who don't know what they're doing.
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A friend of mine and I had a conversation about the "cheap" cam companies the other week. He was saying he was planning on using some Blox cams in his EK9, and I asked him "Why use the cheap cams and not some Todas?" Well, he brought up a good point when he said, despite the negative stuff you hear about companies like Blox and Skunk2, how many people use them vs how many people say bad stuff about them? And when you think about it, you're always going to hear something bad about a product when hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people use those products. Mostly because when you're selling that many products, it's going to be impossible to weed out the idiots who don't know what they're doing.
ive personally seen several blox b series cams snap in half. but i have seen them make good power besides rolling the dice with the snapping issue
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This is mine, brain crower stage 2 H22/F20B they were 2 years old with 8-10k miles on it when it broke. After i installed these and got tuned i noticed no difference in performance.

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This is mine, brain crower stage 2 H22/F20B they were 2 years old with 8-10k miles on it when it broke. After i installed these and got tuned i noticed no difference in performance.

Wow. I thought it was just the Original Crowers that had breakage issues......
2 friends had Crower 3s break and destroy their engine. Of course after providing minimal gains that didn't even compare to Skunk2 Stage2 cams. And that was on ~12:1cr H23-VTECs

The real question is how did BC take care of the problem? What else was damaged?
When my friends had the Original Crowers break on them, they were offered 1 new cam, nothing else. When my friend had an issue with a Skunk2 Cam, they gave him a brand new pair and even gave him money towards machine work to correct some damage.
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I think that part of the problems with cam failures is using the wrong parts or improper installation and not all the time the cams. I use Skunk2 Pro 1 cams and bought them used off of Aaron Teague who used them in his 1000whp EK.

I have now been using them for about 1.5 years. But I am also using the Skunk2 LMA's which are recommended when using Pro 1's along with their cam gears and having them degreed properly. I also am using the proper Ferrea Valve train which helps as well, usually the people who complain about issues are the ones who didn't degree the cams, use stock valve train parts, stock LMA's etc. I am sure here and there you may get a defective part but I would say a lot of the time it is just improper installation and use of the wrong parts.
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I think that part of the problems with cam failures is using the wrong parts or improper installation and not all the time the cams. I use Skunk2 Pro 1 cams and bought them used off of Aaron Teague who used them in his 1000whp EK.

I have now been using them for about 1.5 years. But I am also using the Skunk2 LMA's which are recommended when using Pro 1's along with their cam gears and having them degreed properly. I also am using the proper Ferrea Valve train which helps as well, usually the people who complain about issues are the ones who didn't degree the cams, use stock valve train parts, stock LMA's etc. I am sure here and there you may get a defective part but I would say a lot of the time it is just improper installation and use of the wrong parts.

Very well said. Shit happens, but how the company takes care of it was always the key.

The Original Crower pretty much told my 2 friends to fuck off.
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Wow. I thought it was just the Original Crowers that had breakage issues......
2 friends had Crower 3s break and destroy their engine. Of course after providing minimal gains that didn't even compare to Skunk2 Stage2 cams. And that was on ~12:1cr H23-VTECs

The real question is how did BC take care of the problem? What else was damaged?
When my friends had the Original Crowers break on them, they were offered 1 new cam, nothing else. When my friend had an issue with a Skunk2 Cam, they gave him a brand new pair and even gave him money towards machine work to correct some damage.
This is Dustin from BC and unfortunately we were never contacted on this one as we do stand behind our products. I did contact the customer and will be offering him support on any future build he chooses. From what he told this happened in 2010.
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Anybody ever try the dd-tech cams?
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Anybody ever try the dd-tech cams?
I can't really speak for the B series or others, but for the H series they look fantastic. Even on a stock H22 they carry past 8k which is quite the feat considering stock H22s fall on their face around 7200. If I decide to upgrade from my JUNs(previously Pro3s were the only option) I'd really have to consider DD-Tech. Good to see the H still getting attention. Thanks H2B guys!
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They seem to make good power, but the owner I don't know about. He seems to be full of shit half the time...
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How so?
That nirvtec guy told me my car didnt make 205 and that your dyno was way off lol
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How so?
I've seen him copy and paste posting's on ht from chris delgado(burgrermass) post off of the ectune fourm giving people the impression those were his own words.

Also see posts from time to time that through up red flags.
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That nirvtec guy told me my car didnt make 205 and that your dyno was way off lol
What kind of dyno? 205 isn't that hard to do, whats the setup?
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What kind of dyno? 205 isn't that hard to do, whats the setup?
Shut up clint aka NirVTEC and aka boostedj aka im not sure lulz but it was a h22a euro r completely stock besides k&n filter tuned on s300
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I've seen him copy and paste posting's on ht from chris delgado(burgrermass) post off of the ectune fourm giving people the impression those were his own words.

Also see posts from time to time that through up red flags.
So I guess that negates all the dyno graphs on the cams somehow
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Shut up clint aka NirVTEC and aka boostedj aka im not sure lulz but it was a h22a euro r completely stock besides k&n filter tuned on s300
You so far off it's not even funny. (well it is kinda actually)

Power seems to be on par, although I'm not too up on the h's. Always been a b series guy.
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